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Checking in deer by phone--"earn a buck" conflict
The county in which I live and several other surrounding counties are "earn a buck" this year for the first time that I can ever remember. We are also allowed to check our deer in by phone in Virginia as of a couple years ago. I have a big concern. Do you think people will falsify killing a doe the first couple of days of bow season just to open up their buck tag? I mean we can kill like 5-6 deer a year here in Virginia, so who cares if you lose one doe tag if you can immediately get on the bucks. If people are not forced to "prove" they killed a doe at a real game check station, then I feel there is going to be alot of lying. Also, the overall deer kill may soar as well due to people fibbing, thereby skewing the real deer harvest stats which are used to plan for the future.
This concerns me. |
RE: Checking in deer by phone--"earn a buck" conflict
Legit concern. Might want to think about contacting the state wildlife folks and express your concern. Honest people may have to join the "Slickheads Forever Club" until VA straightens it out.
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RE: Checking in deer by phone--"earn a buck" conflict
Yes there will be people who falsify. Probably a lot of themnot many people look at the future when they think about deer hunting. They are too concerned with "ooooh a buck let me shoot him". that's why I am a big fan of check stations.
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RE: Checking in deer by phone--"earn a buck" conflict
I hear ya, kinda seems to be its own worst enemy! I have no problem taking my deer in to the registration station, kinda cool if ya ask me! We go there and have a soda and get a sandwich and shoot the ****e with guys as they bring their deer in to register! I enjoy it!
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RE: Checking in deer by phone--"earn a buck" conflict
I am a big fan of check stations as well Kamil. Although I have seen less and less of them up here in Northern Virginia. I used to see them alot more when I lived a little farther south in VA. In fact, I can only think of one legit check station within 30 minutes of my house, other than the check station on the base I hunt.
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RE: Checking in deer by phone--"earn a buck" conflict
I like the check stations. Here its at a gas station and the bad thing is some of the people who work there don't ever even look at the deer. You could falsify there by saying its a doe when its a buck. Still have a buck tag then. So I really don't care which way (station/phone) they do it here. I do like seeing what everyone else is bringing in though. You can't stop other people from falsifying so I don't worry about them. I'll stay honest!!
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RE: Checking in deer by phone--"earn a buck" conflict
In my state there are no check stations but I could see how having them and then doing away with them could create a problem. Let me re-phrase that, there are no check stations unless you hunt certain public forests....
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RE: Checking in deer by phone--"earn a buck" conflict
we have EAB. we have to reg. our deer. People were reg. the same deer several times by several people. and reg. road kills! they started clipping an ear to stop the multiple regs.
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RE: Checking in deer by phone--"earn a buck" conflict
See magic, what the hell is wrong with people? I could not bring myself to behave like those idiots.
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RE: Checking in deer by phone--"earn a buck" conflict
ORIGINAL: virginiashadow See magic, what the hell is wrong with people? I could not bring myself to behave like those idiots. Oh ya, most guy's aren't as honest as the guys on here.:D |
RE: Checking in deer by phone--"earn a buck" conflict
there will be people that do it.
wish we still had check stations here [:'(] |
RE: Checking in deer by phone--"earn a buck" conflict
I thought about the same thing. I wonder if the wardens in your county will do some random checks of the does harvested early in the season. They could catch a few guys doing that if they can't come up with a dead doe.
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RE: Checking in deer by phone--"earn a buck" conflict
I can tell you......if that type system were implemented, here.....I don't know too many guys who wouldn't tag a doe on opening morning.;)
What it would do to the "realistic" recording of doe harvests would bother the hell out of me, too. |
RE: Checking in deer by phone--"earn a buck" conflict
I think you will have a real problem there virginia,but then again thats the problem with the world today there are more dishonest people then there are honest people! Man does that ever piss me off![:@]
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RE: Checking in deer by phone--"earn a buck" conflict
Do any of you really believe slobs are going to take a deer to a check station?
I have more to do than load a deer in my truck in the dark and drive god knows how far burning $4.00 a gallon gas to show some one I actually shot one. Whats the point? |
RE: Checking in deer by phone--"earn a buck" conflict
If your premise is he wouldn't check in a buck, either, Jim.....I agree, sadly.
BUT.....If I KNOW a man hasn't shot his EAB doe, yet.....and he's bragging up a buck kill......I'll call him in. |
RE: Checking in deer by phone--"earn a buck" conflict
The morons that break game laws aren't particular about what ones they break.
And I do have better things to do than justifying over time pay for another government employee.[:@] |
RE: Checking in deer by phone--"earn a buck" conflict
I personnally think the earn a buck program is a bunch of crap. We don't have it here, in fact it's tough to get a doe tag at all most of the time. But, if someone, and a lot of people are in this boat, gets limited time to hunt... let him kill a buck if he sees it. You want more does killed, give out some more tags. I agree your phone in will be violated and abused. I'm sure they thought of that and have it calculated into the management plan. Earn a buck sucks IMO. Glad we don't have it. We get 3 tags, a bow or muzzleloader either sex, a bow or muzzleloader antlerless only and a regular firearms season buck only. If you're lucky enough to be drawn you get another doe tag.
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RE: Checking in deer by phone--"earn a buck" conflict
I hear you David----we have a very lare doe population here in my county. They want them reduced to reduce the number of vehicle collisions. I am not real concerned with the EAB thing or its justification, just more concerned that people will not follow the law.
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RE: Checking in deer by phone--"earn a buck" conflict
I am sure it will happen, but then again it hopefully will make most hunters do what it's supposed to and get some more does killed. If you read the regs, your first buck it "free" You don't have to "earn' it, the 2nd and 3rd" must be earned. You can also pre-qualify by killing two does early on and then hunt as normal. For me it's a no brainer I shot 9 deer last year ( using bonus tags) and 7 were does. I am glad to see the earn a buck and I love the convience of the phone in check stations, but like everything else I am sure there will be abuses. I hunt in 3 different counties two of which are effected by the earn a buck program so I will have to be real careful about what I shoot were, but then again that's hunting in VA.
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RE: Checking in deer by phone--"earn a buck" conflict
We can take twelve deer, two of them being bucks with each weapon (bow, shotgun, smoke-pole) with the only catch being that you must take two does after the first buck...before taking the second buck. We too have phone check in so it would make it very easy for someone to call in false doe kills just to take the second buck.
Lets face it, people who want to cheat bad enough are going to do so no matter what rules are in place. They will find a way. That's not to say I think we should make it easy on them, but if they want to, they will. |
RE: Checking in deer by phone--"earn a buck" conflict
in KY you can call in your deer.
I knew alot of people who called in each others deer (party hunting)I even heard of one guy who tagged a buck as a doe. Alot of people down there who do there own butchering do not even phone it in and keep the tag. ORIGINAL: virginiashadow The county in which I live and several other surrounding counties are "earn a buck" this year for the first time that I can ever remember. We are also allowed to check our deer in by phone in Virginia as of a couple years ago. I have a big concern. Do you think people will falsify killing a doe the first couple of days of bow season just to open up their buck tag? I mean we can kill like 5-6 deer a year here in Virginia, so who cares if you lose one doe tag if you can immediately get on the bucks. If people are not forced to "prove" they killed a doe at a real game check station, then I feel there is going to be alot of lying. Also, the overall deer kill may soar as well due to people fibbing, thereby skewing the real deer harvest stats which are used to plan for the future. This concerns me. |
RE: Checking in deer by phone--"earn a buck" conflict
One point to remember regarding phone-in checking of game; As you complete the call, you probably get a confirmation number to record on your tag! If you take your prized possesion to a butcher, they typically record those confirmation numbers and forward them to the Department of Conservation in list form.
The DOC then compares that data with the data that you entered when checking your game by phone to see if it matches. If it does, no problem. If it doesn't, you'll probably be getting a call or a visit. I realize that some people butcher their own game so it's not a totally foolproof system, but I know a lot of people who take their game tothe butcher's and meat processors, and thereare some checks and balances in place. |
RE: Checking in deer by phone--"earn a buck" conflict
ya i do agree heck even with a check in station.
What makes the dishonest go there if they do there own butcher. I mean hack You shoot a deer have 24 hours to check it in and you go home butcher it and it is in your freezer in a hour or two. ORIGINAL: mofireman One point to remember regarding phone-in checking of game; As you complete the call, you probably get a confirmation number to record on your tag! If you take your prized possesion to a butcher, they typically record those confirmation numbers and forward them to the Department of Conservation in list form. The DOC then compares that data with the data that you entered when checking your game by phone to see if it matches. If it does, no problem. If it doesn't, you'll probably be getting a call or a visit. I realize that some people butcher their own game so it's not a totally foolproof system, but I know a lot of people who take their game tothe butcher's and meat processors, and thereare some checks and balances in place. |
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