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RE: Bowhunting and gun hunting ..... a different perspective?
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PT:
NEVER accuse me of "fishing", again.;)[8D] |
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ORIGINAL: Kamil I gave up gun hunting central Wis. because I got tired of dodging bullets. I won't hunt that situation any more. ORIGINAL: magicman54494 1. Where do you hunt 2. Why do you still hunt there :eek: 3. Is there exageration in that statement? |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT PT: NEVER accuse me of "fishing", again.;)[8D] |
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And don't get me worng.....I've taken big game animals with a gun......just not a deer.
And ALL I've done is show respect.;) |
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ORIGINAL: mobow Tony, believe me bro, I know exactly what you're saying. But I share that same fellowship w/ the guys that I bowhunt with. And I'm not arguing in the least. But for me, honestly......if I were FORCED to hunt w/ a gun.....I wouldn't be at that camp anyway. And if I were.....it would be more frustrating than fun, taking away from all of it. Fellowship or no, if a guy isn't interested in bang stick hunting......It just wont' be fun. Trust me. ;) Don, if it was a tradition from your youth, you WOULD understand .... you would look forward to dropping them with a gun as well as a bow ....... but I understand your post for how you grew up ... |
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What PT is trying to say is some states, mostly North East states have a deep gun tradition.
Michigan is a gun hunting state, the laws are in favor for gun hunters. PA and Minnis the same IMO. For example my grandfather has hunted same woods for over 60 years, and Nov 15th is speacial to him. Just like bowhunting is speacial to us, for some Gun hunting is even more speacial do to family history;) |
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In PA it is a badge of honor to be walking in the woods with just a walking stick.[:-]
It is sign that youpossess the skills & knowledgeto have all ready used your one and only buck tag.;) |
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PT, I can absolutely relate. I try to hunt just about all seasonsin my state.
Bowhunting is first on the list, but I look forward to all of the other firearms seasons as well....especially late season muzzleloader. Our 6 day shotgun season does get a little intense with the hunting pressure, but it is more about the tradition and comaraderie during this week. We have a small club of 20 guys, we hang anywhere from 15-25 bucks a year on our pole. We eat well, play cards, throw in some money for the big buck contest,and hunt hard as hell. Everyone in our club is a serious hunter, andwe're mostly family. It's no doubt somthing to look forward to come the secondweek in Dec. After that the muzzleloader season will keep you hunting right up to Jan. in some zones, and of course there is late bow and arrow. Somthing I really miss is hunting for small game. When I was younger I had awesome rabbit hounds(bonnie and clyde), and a German shorthair pointer named Zepher who would findquail in a lick. At one point at age14, I had the last add on the last page in Field and Stream magazine to take out small partys rabbit and quail hunting....just on Saturdays and not more than four hunters. After getting the dogs started on agood trail, and my grandfather would cook-em breakfast. This was great fun........until deerhunting came into the picture of course. I do have some incredible memories and traditions that I must carry on to my son(only 2). When he's a little older I'll think about a couple of hounds again. It's a great way to start-em young. |
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Man, I miss deer camp. Used to hunt in Northern Michigan with the relatives every year. What a blast! I've got more stories from deer camp over the years than sea stories after 20 years in the Navy! Folks would say, "let me get this straight, you can kill six deer on your tags in Virginia, the gun season is six weeks long, and you drive all this way just to shoot one buck?" Answer was always the same. YOU BET:D! Now that Ilive onmyproperty, some friends and family will be down every year for black powder season. New tradition! Won't be the same as deer camp, but it'll be fun just the same. Bow is solitary for me. It's "my time" with nature. Gun is family and friends. I can't say I really love one more than the other. Both are special to me, for different reasons.
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Allot of the gun hunters in the area will agree 100% with everything I say in this post. I agree with what most of Rob/PA had said. I cringe also during Minnesota's gun season, actually it drives me nuts knowing everyone and there brother will be going out winging bullets through the air and most have never picked a gun up till opening morning (Not all gun hunters are like this but I'd bet 70% of them are around my area are). So many times I've tucked in behind the stand tree being lead is flying my way and bouncing off trees in many directions, that to me is not fun! I also have to be in the woods during gun season to make sure that no one is trespassing, Its crazy its gotta be that way but its the truth!
Truth be told though we need the gun seasons to control deer populations. I'll stand up for a gun hunters rights till the day I die!! During the gun season I've actually had great success in seeing some monster bucks. Everyone else is out chasing them around and I'm sitting there taking the benefits in watching some big bucks come running in to my woods and hoping they stay there. I've seen as many as 14 bucks in a full day of sitting during gun season. I've had some close calls on great bucks but they were moving a tad bit fast for my liking. My cousins are big into gun hunting and the story's and good times they have is unbelievable. I get to hear the story's every year and you know there having a blast. Thats what its all about right there! When I go bear hunting in northern Minnesota we have the same kind of thing up there except its were all shooting sticks and strings (recurves and longbows) instead of a gun. We have the same good times and story telling. Were all camped in the middle of a huge woods cooking our meals over a fire and sleeping in our tents. I love it so I do understand the tradition thats involved with you gun hunters when gun season comes around. As for me and my family the tradition of hunting was bows and arrows. We've shared many a camps enjoying the same traditions as the gun hunters. Tradition to me is not gun hunting, not even close to be exact. Reasons being though I was raised in a bow hunting family so I never experienced it like allot of you have. I have experienced it with the bow though, some of you would love that also. It works both ways everyone! Some day I'm sure I'll pick up on older Muzzle Loader (not the quick loaders) and hunt with one of them if I'm not able to pull enough weight back in my recurve to be efficient anymore. Kudo's to everyone who enjoys there style of hunting. Thats what its all about. |
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ORIGINAL: valor10 Bow is solitary for me. It's "my time" with nature. Gun is family and friends. I can't say I really love one more than the other. Both are special to me, for different reasons. |
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all of you guys talking about going back for lunch and hearing all the stories and what not. some of the best times ive found to hunt during rifle seaosn is when every body is going back in to eat or sleep. the deer are running EVERYWHERE. as long as you can get in a good stand, that you will use the other hunters walking out to your advantage, it wont take long and youll see a shooter.
we normally sit all day when we gun hunt for this reason we can still hear all the stories after dark;) |
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Tradition;)
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Damn straight!
That put goosebumps on my arms. |
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BTW he's front right in the picture, and I have that suit he's wearing, if Nov 15 he's still kicking, I will be right next to him, in that very suit:D Will take some pictures;)
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ORIGINAL: Germ Tradition;)
Hell yeah man, hell yeah. |
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God bless your POP!:) He look's like he's proud of his hunting heritage. Good stuff!;)
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i enjoy bow blackpowder and gun hunting
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Love those hunting outfits. Not being a smartazz, i really like those old-fashioned outfits.
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Nothing wrong with that Germ one bit!! Great pic!! Thats tradition in every way.
This is tradition in my family. Just a different weapon is all. All bow kills of our bear in the group picture. We went 10 for 11 that year.  Celebrating after getting a bear with a night of storys at bear camp. It don't get no better then this.  Draging my very 1st bear out. This is tradition to me. There are so many different ways people look at tradition. What my tradition is may not be yours or vice versa.  |
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ORIGINAL: PreacherTony What sums it up for me is something an older WY'r said to me when I was out elk hunting in WY. After I took my bull I was in "town" Sheridan. A guy saw our vehicle plates and asked " You guys hunting? " Sure are I said. " What for?" he asked. I replied, "Bull elk". He astonishingly asked, " With a BOW?" , yeah, why I asked....... I thought, here we go, and he said, " You know I envy you guys". So I asked why. He said, " I'm a rifle hunter, I see an elk and I shoot it, you see an elk and your hunt begins". Crap? How dare you? That is the exact conversation I had with a gentleman in Wyoming, HE summed it up for me. I said almost nothing in that conversation. I'm relaying that to you and you dare call it crap? Again, I understand the traditions and the camp camarodorie etc.... but when rifle season comes in this great state of PA, I feel sorry for the deer. Yup, sorry. Damn things run around frantic, orange behind every other tree, lead flying everywhere, bam, bam, bam, bam as deer flee across the fields, zing goes a bullet..heard too many of them. Signs get shot, litter along the back roads, orange in the bars, orange in the stores, orange at the gas station, beat up truck here, out of state tag there. Orange standing on the black tops. Radios chattering constantly, slow moving road hunters on most back roads. Yeah, it might be different where some of you live but I cringe when our rifle season rolls around.  But I understand the tradition and camaradory. 
If I wanted to be an elitist I'd tell you how rifle season in PA makes me want to puke. How watching them on TV get whacked with a rifle makes me puke. How I fast forward on DVD's when rifles are up or how I turn the channel when it's a rifle hunt. And I don't exagerate **** when it comes to what I see in PA. IT'S PATHETIC! Elitist? Yeah, you pegged me as far as bowhunting because a rifle kill by anyone no matter how big it is means nothing to me, that's just the way it is. If I didn't love bowhunting so much or have respect for the animal and know they needed thinned, because of what I watch in PA everyear, I easily could be an anti, not anti hunting but certainly antihighpoweredriflehunting. Yeah, I'm an elitist Tony, still want to shake my hand next weekend? |
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ORIGINAL: Schultzy Celebrating after getting a bear with a night of storys at bear camp. It don't get no better then this. |
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Most everyone has expressed the same thoughts and feelings I have.Bow hunting is something I took up on my own and almost exclusively do by myself.Most of my rifle hunting is done out of state,sharing the same camp with the same four long time friends for a long time.We all hunt alone and we hunt hard and we have a blast,the stories,the food,the laughter,the beautiful country.I wouldn't miss it for any thing.It is the continuation of a tradition that had existed in our home area for also a very long time.
I love bow hunting and I love rifle hunting and as many others have said there are aspects of each that make them special and unique. I don't agree with the once you see the animal with a rifle the hunt is over analogy that Rob and others have used.All of my rifle hunting is done primarily in big woods,seeing the animal and putting it on the ground are not a given.Maybe more so if you are a stand or box blind rifle hunter.I have had numerous times when I have been still hunting and have seen a glimpse of antler or the entire buck for a couple of seconds and then never saw them again,for various reasons.You don't always have the time to take a good shot,or are able to get a rest for longer shots. I am equally happy with the warmth that comes to me with a bow in my hands or a rifle on my shoulder! |
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Enjoying good times with friends/family after an awesome hunt.
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How I hunt is almost as important to me as why I hunt....... I gave up rifle hunting long ago b/c I felt like I was cheating... I still share the "gun season" camps with my friends and family.... The only difference is I carry a bow..
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ORIGINAL: NCRemington700 ORIGINAL: Schultzy Celebrating after getting a bear with a night of storys at bear camp. It don't get no better then this. |
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I know, I know. I was being sarcastic.;) Great pic and I can tell ya'll were having fun. Only problem with that is that it's REALLY hard to get up to get in the woods the next day with a pounding headache!! :D
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And with all due respect, PT.......
Remember where you're at;) Chevy threads in the Ford forum don't exactly emit repliesof the "All cars are great" variety. |
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Bow hunting and gun hunting......... Here we are again atthose ever elusive questions.....Are they the same? Different? Easier? Harder? Those of you who hunt with both, how do you feel about either? All great and legit questions and one I'll try to answer as honestly as possible.
For me it's "none of the above" meaning I don't even try to compare them because (as stated very eloquently by most here) they are two completely different types of hunting and all that goes with them. A lot of you however are looking at this in a two dimensional sense deer w/bow vs deer w/gun where I look at itmulti dimensionally, meaning bow hunting and gun hunting for deerare not the only game in town when it comes to my hunting time. Like others I enjoy all that "hunting" can provide including big game, small game, upland birds and water fowl. I pursue my quarry with many different types of weapons as I enjoy the diversityin weapon choice each "type" ofhunting brings. While I love this sitemostly due to the folks here, I could live without a bow hunting web site because it's not my main interest when it comes to hunting. I've spent many prime bow hunting weekends hunting for Coyote, Red Fox,Rabbit, Quail, Pheasantand other critters because I enjoy that just as much. If that means I miss out on that monster buck.....so what, it's not THAT important to me. Now, I know where I am and I know to what audience I'm typing to...Bow hunters so obviously folks here are more "hardcore" bow hunters than most but the lack of hunting diversity among bow hunters (as a whole) is quite confusing to me and begs the question Why? Now I have my own opinions and as most of you know it doesn't cast a favorable light on bow hunters and their attitude toward other hunters and their methods or choice of weapon. But I can find no other reasons for this "attitude" that oozes from the mouths of bow hunters (in my neck of the woods) when the conversation moves from anything but bow hunting especially when the use of a different weapon is brought up. It's a shame it has to be like this but alas I see it all the time, in person and on web sites like this. Me?......I'm a hunter plain and simple and ALL that is implied with it. I enjoy it all as much as my business and personal life will allow and refuse to restrict my love for the outdoors and the pursue of wild game by the "tool" I use to do so. Bow hunting, gun hunting, deer hunting, bird hunting, varmint hunting.......it's all good to me. all challenging, all difficult, all memorable, all unique,because no matter what it's all hunting and that's what I am...........A hunter. |
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I have lived Robs scenario and it ain't pretty. Pa sure seems to have more than our share of butt plugs & rifle season is flag day for them. My father and family always spent the weekend before season scouting, sighting in rifles and visiting with camping neighbors that were doing the same things.
But small towns and bars turn into the Jerry springer show wanna Be's. Hunter orange is the color of choice,it is quite embarrassing to watch. But I refuse to let the actions of a few ruin to me what is a once a year chance to help those that are not anywhere near as dedicated or passionate as I am about hunting. If I can track down a poorly shot doe or help carry a teenagers rifle while he drags his first buck out its a great day for me. I've spent hours talking with old men that have no more desire than myself to shoot a doe, but are still out there enjoying Penn's woods and hoping for a chance at a legal buck. People like Germs gram pa are all the reason I need to be out there.:) |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT And with all due respect, PT....... Remember where you're at;) |
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I am sorry Rob .... the crap and the elitist comment were about the comments .... not you ....sorry if I wasn't clear ... and yes, I look forward to meeting you as much as anyone next weekend ....
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ORIGINAL: BigJ71 Bow hunting and gun hunting......... Here we are again atthose ever elusive questions.....Are they the same? Different? Easier? Harder? Those of you who hunt with both, how do you feel about either? All great and legit questions and one I'll try to answer as honestly as possible. For me it's "none of the above" meaning I don't even try to compare them because (as stated very eloquently by most here) they are two completely different types of hunting and all that goes with them. A lot of you however are looking at this in a two dimensional sense deer w/bow vs deer w/gun where I look at itmulti dimensionally, meaning bow hunting and gun hunting for deerare not the only game in town when it comes to my hunting time. Like others I enjoy all that "hunting" can provide including big game, small game, upland birds and water fowl. I pursue my quarry with many different types of weapons as I enjoy the diversityin weapon choice each "type" ofhunting brings. While I love this sitemostly due to the folks here, I could live without a bow hunting web site because it's not my main interest when it comes to hunting. I've spent many prime bow hunting weekends hunting for Coyote, Red Fox,Rabbit, Quail, Pheasantand other critters because I enjoy that just as much. If that means I miss out on that monster buck.....so what, it's not THAT important to me. Now, I know where I am and I know to what audience I'm typing to...Bow hunters so obviously folks here are more "hardcore" bow hunters than most but the lack of hunting diversity among bow hunters (as a whole) is quite confusing to me and begs the question Why? Now I have my own opinions and as most of you know it doesn't cast a favorable light on bow hunters and their attitude toward other hunters and their methods or choice of weapon. But I can find no other reasons for this "attitude" that oozes from the mouths of bow hunters (in my neck of the woods) when the conversation moves from anything but bow hunting especially when the use of a different weapon is brought up. It's a shame it has to be like this but alas I see it all the time, in person and on web sites like this. Me?......I'm a hunter plain and simple and ALL that is implied with it. I enjoy it all as much as my business and personal life will allow and refuse to restrict my love for the outdoors and the pursue of wild game by the "tool" I use to do so. Bow hunting, gun hunting, deer hunting, bird hunting, varmint hunting.......it's all good to me. all challenging, all difficult, all memorable, all unique,because no matter what it's all hunting and that's what I am...........A hunter. |
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ORIGINAL: PreacherTony I wonder if you guys that hunt with a bow and gun (blackpowder, shotgun, pistol, et al..) if it's different, or the same with just a different weapon. Let me explain. For me, although I bowhunt with most of the guys I gun hunt with, bowhunting is more of a personal, solitary deal. Gun hunting, for me,is so steeped in tradition ..... sighting in guns, running to the store for the sales with your buds and/or kin ... the preparation before .... the unknown of what is gonna run by you as it escapes the neighboring property .... drives set-up .... meeting for lunch ..... guys hunting on adjoining properties... Then there is bowhunting .... preparation is mostly year round ....all day sits....calm deer ....you know what animals you are hunting (for the most part), .... I think bowhuntingis my favorite, because it is therapeutic .... but I could NEVER give up the tradition of gun hunting ,,,it is just too much fun!!! Can anyone else relate to this??? Why are some of you turning this into a bowhunting vs gun hunting deal??? |
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ORIGINAL: PreacherTony ORIGINAL: PreacherTony I wonder if you guys that hunt with a bow and gun (blackpowder, shotgun, pistol, et al..) if it's different, or the same with just a different weapon. Let me explain. For me, although I bowhunt with most of the guys I gun hunt with, bowhunting is more of a personal, solitary deal. Gun hunting, for me,is so steeped in tradition ..... sighting in guns, running to the store for the sales with your buds and/or kin ... the preparation before .... the unknown of what is gonna run by you as it escapes the neighboring property .... drives set-up .... meeting for lunch ..... guys hunting on adjoining properties... Then there is bowhunting .... preparation is mostly year round ....all day sits....calm deer ....you know what animals you are hunting (for the most part), .... I think bowhuntingis my favorite, because it is therapeutic .... but I could NEVER give up the tradition of gun hunting ,,,it is just too much fun!!! Can anyone else relate to this??? Why are some of you turning this into a bowhunting vs gun hunting deal??? |
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ORIGINAL: PreacherTony ORIGINAL: PreacherTony I wonder if you guys that hunt with a bow and gun (blackpowder, shotgun, pistol, et al..) if it's different, or the same with just a different weapon. Let me explain. For me, although I bowhunt with most of the guys I gun hunt with, bowhunting is more of a personal, solitary deal. Gun hunting, for me,is so steeped in tradition ..... sighting in guns, running to the store for the sales with your buds and/or kin ... the preparation before .... the unknown of what is gonna run by you as it escapes the neighboring property .... drives set-up .... meeting for lunch ..... guys hunting on adjoining properties... Then there is bowhunting .... preparation is mostly year round ....all day sits....calm deer ....you know what animals you are hunting (for the most part), .... I think bowhuntingis my favorite, because it is therapeutic .... but I could NEVER give up the tradition of gun hunting ,,,it is just too much fun!!! Can anyone else relate to this??? Why are some of you turning this into a bowhunting vs gun hunting deal??? Probably b/c your posts insinuate their can't be tradition and commraderie (sp) unless you are using a gun and that those of us that are bow only are somehow missing something..... |
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ORIGINAL: BigJ71 folks here are more "hardcore" bow hunters than most but the lack of hunting diversity among bow hunters (as a whole) is quite confusing to me and begs the question Why? I've been wonderingthis myself. I didn't realize there were so many bowhunters that didn't participate in other methods of hunting until I started reading the forums here a couple of years ago. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but just didn't realize it. |
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I'm just amazed that it took so long for things to start going going down the toilet.[:o]
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ORIGINAL: Double Creek ORIGINAL: PreacherTony ORIGINAL: PreacherTony I wonder if you guys that hunt with a bow and gun (blackpowder, shotgun, pistol, et al..) if it's different, or the same with just a different weapon. Let me explain. For me, although I bowhunt with most of the guys I gun hunt with, bowhunting is more of a personal, solitary deal. Gun hunting, for me,is so steeped in tradition ..... sighting in guns, running to the store for the sales with your buds and/or kin ... the preparation before .... the unknown of what is gonna run by you as it escapes the neighboring property .... drives set-up .... meeting for lunch ..... guys hunting on adjoining properties... Then there is bowhunting .... preparation is mostly year round ....all day sits....calm deer ....you know what animals you are hunting (for the most part), .... I think bowhuntingis my favorite, because it is therapeutic .... but I could NEVER give up the tradition of gun hunting ,,,it is just too much fun!!! Can anyone else relate to this??? Why are some of you turning this into a bowhunting vs gun hunting deal??? Probably b/c your posts insinuate their can't be tradition and commraderie (sp) unless you are using a gun and that those of us that are bow only are somehow missing something..... |
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