Opinions on Crossbows
07-11-2008 | 11:23 AM
#311
Giant Nontypical
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RE: Opinions on Crossbows
I'm not switching subjects for you Shultzy - start another thread
07-11-2008 | 11:34 AM
#312
Giant Nontypical
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From: PA
RE: Opinions on Crossbows
ORIGINAL: Germ
For you yes
And a crossbow hunter has hunted and killed a deer on our farm
I am surrounded by gun hunters, so my stance may put more pressure on the deer I hunt, but to me more people in the woods is not a bad thing.
What I see happing is most of the compound(half) shooters buying an Xbow. Being the way most of them shoot, the deer will thank us[&:]
Is there anysound sciencereason in MI(PA jump in if you want) to not allow xbows in achery season?
Is there any reason besides "more people will hunt"
If someone can show me data where it harms the herd, and not their hunting, I am all ears.
ORIGINAL: Sliverflicker
Since you say bring them on, and are so big harted, you opening up the farm to public hunting this season.
ORIGINAL: Germ
Kind of like a bunch of hunters decide what weapon is best for other hunters[:-]
Like I said PA and MI are similar. I would rather give my fellow hunters a choice. To me that is what it comes down too. If the DNR of MI is for it, and health of the heard is not harm. What is wrong.
Matt has made some points, but there is 0 DATA to back them up. It's all speculation on both sides
ORIGINAL: GMMAT
This is like saying the onesin the gas chambers shouldn't cry. Its a little cooler on the outside, huh? "Let 'em drink lemonade".
After reading the guys' (Xbowproponentsfrom states other than PA)'sarguments (regarding PA).....it reminds me of a bunch of old MEN sitting around deciding what a woman's rights are are with her own body.
Easy for you to say, huh?
You blast away with those numbers, we in Arkansas still arent the ones crying......
After reading the guys' (Xbowproponentsfrom states other than PA)'sarguments (regarding PA).....it reminds me of a bunch of old MEN sitting around deciding what a woman's rights are are with her own body.
Easy for you to say, huh?
Like I said PA and MI are similar. I would rather give my fellow hunters a choice. To me that is what it comes down too. If the DNR of MI is for it, and health of the heard is not harm. What is wrong.
Matt has made some points, but there is 0 DATA to back them up. It's all speculation on both sides
And a crossbow hunter has hunted and killed a deer on our farm
I am surrounded by gun hunters, so my stance may put more pressure on the deer I hunt, but to me more people in the woods is not a bad thing.
What I see happing is most of the compound(half) shooters buying an Xbow. Being the way most of them shoot, the deer will thank us[&:]
Is there anysound sciencereason in MI(PA jump in if you want) to not allow xbows in achery season?
Is there any reason besides "more people will hunt"
If someone can show me data where it harms the herd, and not their hunting, I am all ears.
07-11-2008 | 11:43 AM
#313
Boone & Crockett
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RE: Opinions on Crossbows
Great post Jim, but I see no data
As soon as a disease creeps into the SW corner in MI, baiting will be banned. You can take that one to the bank.
I happen to know a baiter who uses a Xbow, I have dragged out a few deer for him. All he's done in his life is:
Served in WWII
Be faithful to his wife for 56 years, she died last year
Raise his family without taking a dime from goverment
Attend every grandkids sporting event and award dinners
Work for years with a bad shoulder so his family can eat, now suffers a lot of pain for it.
Sucked down so much asbestes(sp) his lungs are now damage.
Be a servant to God.
Some may see him as xbow hunter who hunts over bait, I see him as my hero
As soon as a disease creeps into the SW corner in MI, baiting will be banned. You can take that one to the bank.
I happen to know a baiter who uses a Xbow, I have dragged out a few deer for him. All he's done in his life is:
Served in WWII
Be faithful to his wife for 56 years, she died last year
Raise his family without taking a dime from goverment
Attend every grandkids sporting event and award dinners
Work for years with a bad shoulder so his family can eat, now suffers a lot of pain for it.
Sucked down so much asbestes(sp) his lungs are now damage.
Be a servant to God.
Some may see him as xbow hunter who hunts over bait, I see him as my hero
07-11-2008 | 11:48 AM
#314
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From: Limerick, PA
RE: Opinions on Crossbows
Good post Germ. I retract my stance some. I am not against all crossbow hunters. Just the few that will be the bad apples. (Ones ive encountered so far) But then again i guess there are a few bad apples in bow and gun. We've seen that. I stand corrected and will have a somewhat neutral position till "Facts" are brought up.
And what Jim said about bad shots and wounded deer is also correct. That is not one of my concerns, I dont want to know the number of deer that die and are unrecovered bc of bad shots with bow, gun, or crossbow. Thats the old kick in the chest!
And what Jim said about bad shots and wounded deer is also correct. That is not one of my concerns, I dont want to know the number of deer that die and are unrecovered bc of bad shots with bow, gun, or crossbow. Thats the old kick in the chest!
07-11-2008 | 11:55 AM
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From: El Dorado, Arkansas
RE: Opinions on Crossbows
ORIGINAL: Germ
I happen to know a baiter who uses a Xbow, I have dragged out a few deer for him. All he's done in his life is:
Served in WWII
Be faithful to his wife for 56 years, she died last year
Raise his family without taking a dime from goverment
Attend every grandkids sporting event and award dinners
Work for years with a bad shoulder so his family can eat, now suffers a lot of pain for it.
Sucked down so much asbestes(sp) his lungs are now damage.
Be a servant to God.
Some may see him as xbow hunter who hunts over bait, I see him as my hero
I happen to know a baiter who uses a Xbow, I have dragged out a few deer for him. All he's done in his life is:
Served in WWII
Be faithful to his wife for 56 years, she died last year
Raise his family without taking a dime from goverment
Attend every grandkids sporting event and award dinners
Work for years with a bad shoulder so his family can eat, now suffers a lot of pain for it.
Sucked down so much asbestes(sp) his lungs are now damage.
Be a servant to God.
Some may see him as xbow hunter who hunts over bait, I see him as my hero
POST OF THE DAY !!!
07-11-2008 | 11:56 AM
#316
Boone & Crockett
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RE: Opinions on Crossbows
Sir king
I think were all against "bad" hunters. The weapon any hunter chooses does not make them "bad", only their character and medthods of hunting do that.
There is a certain % of the hunting community that is well intersting
We live in a free country, and it is great, but what we tend to forget is we have to accept the way others choose to practice their freedom
I think were all against "bad" hunters. The weapon any hunter chooses does not make them "bad", only their character and medthods of hunting do that.
There is a certain % of the hunting community that is well intersting
We live in a free country, and it is great, but what we tend to forget is we have to accept the way others choose to practice their freedom
07-11-2008 | 12:01 PM
#317
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From: El Dorado, Arkansas
RE: Opinions on Crossbows
Also, and observation......
For those who keep insisting on not wanting more hunters joining the ranks, because there are too many already ......
I would hate to be your kids, and know that Dad is going hunting, but that He will never take me because he doesn't want me there...... he wants it all to himself..... or what about grand kids ........
Or is that not really the case at all ...... you will teach anyone and everyone in your family BUT it is everyone else you don't want out there........ My Lord, how selfish ..... no matter how which way you say it......
BTW .... those deer and all that land are not your own personal playground ..... they belong to everyone.
And if you are really serious about too many hunters and wanting your own playground , then buy yourself 500 or 1000 acres, and you will never have to worry about anyone shooting your deer again...
Problem solved.
God Bless
MET
For those who keep insisting on not wanting more hunters joining the ranks, because there are too many already ......
I would hate to be your kids, and know that Dad is going hunting, but that He will never take me because he doesn't want me there...... he wants it all to himself..... or what about grand kids ........
Or is that not really the case at all ...... you will teach anyone and everyone in your family BUT it is everyone else you don't want out there........ My Lord, how selfish ..... no matter how which way you say it......
BTW .... those deer and all that land are not your own personal playground ..... they belong to everyone.
And if you are really serious about too many hunters and wanting your own playground , then buy yourself 500 or 1000 acres, and you will never have to worry about anyone shooting your deer again...
Problem solved.
God Bless
MET
07-11-2008 | 12:17 PM
#318
Giant Nontypical
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From: PA
RE: Opinions on Crossbows
Gary your very lucky to a man like that in your blood line,Give him my best.
If any of you still don't understand why many feel the way we do you should come to any of the local shops and watch all of the so called handicapped hunters tuning up their xbows.
If any of you still don't understand why many feel the way we do you should come to any of the local shops and watch all of the so called handicapped hunters tuning up their xbows.
07-11-2008 | 12:30 PM
#319
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Opinions on Crossbows
ORIGINAL:
If any of you still don't understand why many feel the way we do you should come to any of the local shops and watch all of the so called handicapped hunters tuning up their xbows.
If any of you still don't understand why many feel the way we do you should come to any of the local shops and watch all of the so called handicapped hunters tuning up their xbows.
Many people who are fit draw disability checks. Perhaps that is also all you need ("declared" disabled) to get a crossbow license in PA. Sounds like the best of both worlds
07-11-2008 | 12:30 PM
#320
Boone & Crockett
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From: Michigan/Ohio
RE: Opinions on Crossbows
Jim I sold them at Cabela's Trust me I know[8D]
I'll never forget the guy who bought two arrows on Sept 30th, season opens Oct 1st
"I need two arrows, one for practiceandone for hunting" [8D]
Trust me I know[8D]I'll never forget the guy who bought two arrows on Sept 30th, season opens Oct 1st
"I need two arrows, one for practiceandone for hunting" [8D]