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RE: Opinions on Crossbows
Matt, I know where you're coming from, but I have a question for you. As I already said,the state land that I hunt has seen (by me)no real increase in hunting pressure worth mentioning since they made crossbows legal. It's still almost all compound hunters. What makes you believe this would change state wide if they allowed CB's during regular archery season? The fact that gun hunters will pick up a CB?Again, I'm not in favor of them allowing CB's during regular archery, and don't think they're going to, but I don't think it will bring about the major changes in the existing seasons the way you portray. JMHO
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RE: Opinions on Crossbows
ORIGINAL: Matt / PA ORIGINAL: early in I could be wrong, but I think perhapsMatt's paranoiastems from the fact he's a traditional shooter? Again, I could be wrong. My paranoia stems from even the THOUGHT or chance that we as bowhunters are going to lose the hard fought November part of our bowseason. You PA guys remember what it was like to hunt until Oct 28th and then put your bows away for the season? (and until sunset, not a 1/2 after to boot) Thank the evil UBP for changing that for you. If you're OK with potentially losing that and adding more bodies into the archery season with things that aren't what I at least consider bows..........not sure what to tell ya. Would you proponents be as quick to allow flintlock muzzleloaders for everyone in the archery season too? I shoot both a very accurate flintlock religiously and a top end crossbow and I can tell you for a FACT that the crossbow will do EVERYTHING that my flintlock will do accuracy and effectiveness wise except flipping them over with a shoulder shot. If I could kill it with my flintlock I could kill it with a crossbow to the same ranges. Not guessing..........I shoot them all, recurves , longbows, compounds, crossbows, flintlocks, inlines, revolvers, pistols, shotguns, "assault" weapons you name it. I simply don't want ANY gambles being made at this point with a season where we already get to hunt IMO too few days of the season. I sure hope I don't get to say "I told ya so" when your casing your bow up at teh end of October and listening to everyone else in surrounding states talking about sweet Novemeber.:eek: Some of you guys in other states, I don't know what your season dates are or what days of the week you get to hunt but keep in mind: In PA our bow season runs Oct3rd through November 15th and then IT'S OVER. No straight season through November, December or January. At one time in the not too distant past our season ended the last weekend in Oct..........AND we still can't hunt on Sundays. You getting what I'm saying? I don't want some half baked other state driven biology or manufacturers lobbying risking in any way shape or form 2 weeks of our already short ass season. And I can say with fair certainty that very few of the new crossbow hunters will be ploping down 1500 + $$$ for a stryker ...... more likely a 500 Horton or something like that.... which is not a top of the line 400+ FPS crossbow. BTW crossbows have decimated the season in Arkansas sooooo badly that our bow season runs from Oct.1 - Feb. 28 , and we have a total of 4 deer available no more than 2 being bucks by any method combined. And crossbows are allowed during the entire bow season..... not a special season. MET |
RE: Opinions on Crossbows
The fact that gun hunters will pick up a CB? All they need to do now to participate is pick up a regular compound, recurve or other approved bow. The argument is we'll be creating NEW hunters with this change. WE WON'T we'll be simply driving more rifle hunters to the archery season with an easier to use than a conventional bow weapon so they can finally compete "with all the archery hunters getting the first crack at all the big bucks" We're gonnaMOVE hunters into the archery season, kill more bucks in the archery season with an easier to use weapon and then we're all gonan be crying in our cereal bowls the morning of Oct 29th 2011 when we are done archery hunting for the year. They can move now, the argument by crossbow proponents is that the evil compound is so easy to use.......so the rifle hunters already have an 'Easy" to use option if they want to participate. But they won't they'll wait for the one that they can cock, load and use like a long gun. |
RE: Opinions on Crossbows
I can't believe this thread is still going strong.
In fact.. I am thinking of taking up crossbows to spite all of you.  |
RE: Opinions on Crossbows
ORIGINAL: dukemichaels I can't believe this thread is still going strong. In fact.. I am thinking of taking up crossbows to spite all of you.
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RE: Opinions on Crossbows
I do see your point Matt. Truth be known, they shouldprobably just put the CB's in with the Muzzle Loader season.;)
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RE: Opinions on Crossbows
Stolen from a 2003 edition of Arkansas Fish and Game......
[align=center]THE STORY IS IN THE NUMBERS[/align]According to Alice Browning, assistant chief of fiscal services for the Arkansas Game and Fish Commission, 288,517 hunting licenses were sold between July 1, 2003, and Jan. 1, 2004. Of those, 241,310 went to resident hunters. I figure about 20 percent of those buyers, or about 48,262 outdoorsmen, carry archery gear afield at some point. Of that number, about 15 percent are the really "serious" bowyers who hunt more than a few days a year. So that number would be 7,239, give or take a few. Within that 7,239 will be found that special core group to whom bowhunting is a passion - a way of life. I figure a maximum of 10 to 15 percent fall into this select category, giving you maybe 1,085 who truly go the extra mile when it comes to bowhunting. According to AGFC statistics, bowhunters accounted for 6,060 deer this past season, down slightly from the 6,445 taken in 2002-03. Of that number, 3,208 were bucks, making the past season the first one in quite a while that saw archers take more males than females. LOL.........Arkansas. Are you guys honestly serious comparing that state to PA? We have 30,000 more resident BOWHUNTERS than you have TOTAL hunters, and 750,000 more total hunters period. How on EARTH do you think those numbers can be used as a model for what is going on in this state? Do you guys know the breakdown of private, vs public, vs state gamelands in PA and how we accomodate that many more hunters? If I hear 'It works for Arkansas" one more time I may stroke out..........LOL :D HERE ARE THE FACTS ARKANSAS: You have 241,000+/- resident HUNTERS You have 48,000 +/- "archery" hunters You live in a state with a total size of 53,179 sq, miles with a population 2,673,400 people which = 51.34 people per square mile PENNSYLVANIA We have 1,000,000 resident hunters +/- We have 278,000 bowhunters +/- We live in a state with a total size of 46,055 sq miles with a total population of 12,281,054 people which = 274.02 people per square mile SO ARKANSAS...............Officially feel free toTHINK you're educatedabout what will work here in PA as far as our seasons and deer management are concerned. |
RE: Opinions on Crossbows
ORIGINAL: Matt / PA Stolen from a 2003 edition of Arkansas Fish and Game...... [align=center]THE STORY IS IN THE NUMBERS[/align]According to Alice Browning, assistant chief of fiscal services for the Arkansas Game and Fish Commission, 288,517 hunting licenses were sold between July 1, 2003, and Jan. 1, 2004. Of those, 241,310 went to resident hunters. I figure about 20 percent of those buyers, or about 48,262 outdoorsmen, carry archery gear afield at some point. Of that number, about 15 percent are the really "serious" bowyers who hunt more than a few days a year. So that number would be 7,239, give or take a few. Within that 7,239 will be found that special core group to whom bowhunting is a passion - a way of life. I figure a maximum of 10 to 15 percent fall into this select category, giving you maybe 1,085 who truly go the extra mile when it comes to bowhunting. According to AGFC statistics, bowhunters accounted for 6,060 deer this past season, down slightly from the 6,445 taken in 2002-03. Of that number, 3,208 were bucks, making the past season the first one in quite a while that saw archers take more males than females. LOL.........Arkansas. Are you guys honestly serious comparing that state to PA? We have 30,000 more resident BOWHUNTERS than you have TOTAL hunters, and 750,000 more total hunters period. How on EARTH do you think those numbers can be used as a model for what is going on in this state? Do you guys know the breakdown of private, vs public, vs state gamelands in PA and how we accomodate that many more hunters? If I hear 'It works for Arkansas" one more time I may stroke out..........LOL :D HERE ARE THE FACTS ARKANSAS: You have 241,000+/- resident HUNTERS You have 48,000 +/- "archery" hunters You live in a state with a total size of 53,179 sq, miles with a population 2,673,400 people which = 51.34 people per square mile PENNSYLVANIA We have 1,000,000 resident hunters +/- We have 278,000 bowhunters +/- We live in a state with a total size of 46,055 sq miles with a total population of 12,281,054 people which = 274.02 people per square mile SO ARKANSAS...............Officially feel free toTHINK you're educatedabout what will work here in PA as far as our seasons and deer management are concerned. |
RE: Opinions on Crossbows
SO ARKANSAS...............Officially feel free toTHINK you're educated
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RE: Opinions on Crossbows
The point of my input is ....... that percentage wise, when crossbows came into the picture, we did not double the total number of hunters..... we did not add to it by 50% even..... we did not even add 50% of the total number of bowhunters........ to the total number of hunters....... you just made our point for us..... There was not some God awful explosion of crossbow hunters that raped the state, and there was NOT a significant number of gun hunters who decided to then bow hunt with a bow of any kind.....
So I believe all of your purported scare numbers are overestimated ...... and what you think is laughable here in Arkansas is fine by me, cause we are managing our resources well, we are not over hunted , we don't have tons of slob hunters in any season, and we still welcome the additional hunters in any season or catagory..... so who is really doing the better job here...... 4 tags a year AND we have crossbows..... maybe your state should be listening to us.... You don't hear we Arkansans crying out loud do ya??? bye the way, heres a tissue..... MET |
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