Are you detail oriented: speed, KE, grains...?
 

I"ve seen people comment they don't know how fast their arrow shoots! I could not stand it if I did not know the speed of my arrow, weight of the arrow, ect... After I get a bowand set it up, I paper tune and chronograph. If I change tip weight, I'm going to see what effect it made through paper and chronograph. Granted, you don't have to know that information, but I do have to know.;)
Let's hear from the other equipment detailed chronograping people.

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At times I go even further. I'm my own full blown pro shop (and for friends) and I love to tinker with my bows/equipment.

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My hunting buddy MECHDOC has a mini pro shop in his garage. I stopped by his place to chrono and tinker with my setup for the season. I know what a 403gr setup will do and what f.o.c. I have and what a 428gr setup will do. My bow pulls at 82.2# currently and I have no problem shooting broadheads as accurately as my fieldpoints. Now if he would get a decible meter I'd be totally dialed in;)

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Yeah, I'm that way. I actually do have a decibel meter that I use. I'm only this way with my hobbies for some reason.

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I know most of this kind of thing as it relates to my specifichunting equipment. I don't go nuts with it though.Some guys are just into facts and numbers.;)

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I must be the only one who doesn't know that stuff. When I bought my bow the guy set it up for me and told me the numbers then, but what I heard was the way the teacher on Charlie Brown sounds. I shoot and adjust accordingly. I don't do too much tinkering cause I don't want to screw it up and not be able to get it back.

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If you don't know this stuff.....or how to decipher it.....I feel like you should hook-up with someone who does....and get your bow set up to maximize its efficiency.

All you have to do is ask in this forum. PLENTY of people to help you out. I went from being a complete techno-stooge to being able to self-perform and diagnose "most" equipment issues in a relatively short time. I owe all that to a few guys in here with some patience and willingness to teach.

Just ask.....and they will guide you.

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Today I am not as technical as I was 10 years ago when I was serious about competition, however there are still a few major things I will always make sure I know about my bows.....I will always paper tune, check speed, Know how much my arrows weigh and keep up with my KE....That is about as far as I go anymore....

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No. I know what kind of arrows I am supposed to be shooting based on my bow. I don't care about knowing the speed of my arrow or the overall weight of my arrow. As long as I can consistently shoot out to 30 yards, I feel fine.

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Trust me, most people are better off NOT knowing how fast their bow shoots or what kind of KE they have. It just leads you to second guess your equipment. You can take someone that has been killing deer just fine with a particular set up then tell them their bow is actually pretty slow or they are lacking energy compared to something else. Next thing you know they are second guessing their set up and looking for ways to make it faster. Normally at some cost to accuracy or shootability.

I've been there done that and luckily grown out of it. With any of today's modern bows they all have enough power to kill efficiently at bowhunting distances. You should set the bow up to where it is comfortable to shoot in all situations and not be worried that your buddies set up has 3.5 ft/lbs more KE than your does or that it shoots 12 fps faster. In the long run it simply is not going to matter if you shoot your bow well.

I'm not saying knowing the specs of your set up isn't important, but some personality types are better of just not knowing. Knowing the speed of your bow has two benifits. It will help you determine the properly spined arrow for your set up, and it will let you guage if something has changed over time. Other than that they are of no use except to stress you out if they are not what you hoped they would be;).

Paul

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I'm very detailed when it comes to having my gear in top shape. I select my gear for hunting only.I like things that are simple and fool proof. When it comes to bow technical info I pay no attention. I don't care how fast it is or what weight my arrow is or my KE. I'm only concerned that it hits where I aim it. I think it's far more important to become proficient with my bow than all thatother stuff.

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I don't know if you'd call it being detail oriented or just call it knowing your equipment. Like me, I know my bow is IBO 314 or something like that. But I like heavy arrows, and heavier broadhead, and I have a short draw length 27 1/2. I know my bow is shooting my 475 grain arrow at 260 fps. Do I need to know it. NOPE... but knowing what it does helps me know my equipment. If I want to tinker and see what changes I have a starting point. Paper comfirms my arrows are flying true. I want to know what my FOC is because from what I've read over the past 37 years, it helps to have it in a certain range for hunting. I've always tuned with that in mind. K.E. is a good guide for determining what you can reasonably expect. Yes it's anal, if you have the speed and a balanced arrow the deer is dead. It's important to know if you're thinking mechanical. GAG..GAG spit... NO I'm not thinkiing mechanical. LOL I don't know that you should call all these things being detail oriented, justcomplete in you bow tuning process and understanding.

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This is not one of those sports where "Ignorance is Bliss"........knowing as much as you can about How, Why and What your equipment is doing will help you in all aspects of the archery end of bowhunting.
It will allow you to become independent (or at least work your way there) with your equipment and be sure your set up is performing at it's peak efficiency. It will also permit you to make informed choices on such things as broadheads that better compliment your rig.

This isn't a gun where all you need to know is pick the right cartridge and know how to turn a scope knob.

"Knowledge is Power"..........

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I spend a lot of time tunkering and trying different things. Rests, arrows, peeps, sights. You name it. I have a chrono and use it extensively. One thing I NEVER worry about is kinetic energy. Kinetic energy is just another thing that gets beaten to death when in reality any bow of 50# or more shooting a properly spined arrow produces enough kinetic energy to down any deer on the planet, regardless of draw length or anything else. There are just too many other things to worry about. Shooting form and mind control being the prime considerations.

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I don't know either, if I ever get a chrono or goto a shop that has one I will but no worries, I know my lighter arrows shoot faster than my heavier ones....

I estimate my speed, I'm surprised to see guys shooting over 300fps....I just assume AMO speeds vs IBO.....usually 315fps vs 235fps etc....

I like the idea of lighter faster flatter arrows, but my heavier arrows just feel so good. I try to pull more weight but if I don't pull70lbs I don't worry, I pull whats comfy, so ya id love to pull 70 or 80lbs with light arrows that shot great, but if I'm pulling 65lbs with my heavier arrows, and know where theyre going to be when I release the string, thats plenty fine by me.

afterall the best hunter isn't the best shot at the range, or the guy with the best setup, fastest most accurate arrows, if that 400" bull elk walks up and you're shaking so hard you can't even pull your 80lb bow, you might as well be an 8yo boy with a toy compound. I'm sure there are some great hunters out there using old/bad equipment shooting arrows at 200fps with more trophies than you or I can dream about. That guy would impress me more than the guy shooting 350fps and can hit a dime at 80yds but can't kill anything that offers him a shot.

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I have always been very detail oriented about all my Archery equipment.

I wanna know exactly what is doing, as well as what it is capable of doing. It gives me something to do in the offseason as well;)

I feel the more familar you are with your equipment the quicker you are to spot/feel a slight change in anything regarding your Bow.

Dan

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Not exactly. If you were to decide to go to a mechanical head you'd havea bag of worms on your hand. And it may down any deer on the planet.... sometimes. You run into down range problems that a bow with more whollop won't have to worry about.

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X2, i dont know the most about bows, so i just let my pro shop tinker with my stuff, but i havent any issues yet. now with my truck i tinker with that, but if i break it my dad can fix it :D

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My cousin is the guy with the old bow:Dbut he has shot more deer than i can count:D

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Dang it. In addition to the chrono and grain scale, I have an arrow saw, bow scale, press, fletching jig, but not a decibel meter. :eek:

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Yes & no. I know these things only because it seems like the cool thing to do and I have all the toys available to do so. But honestly I don't care. The numbers come out what they may, I just record all them for entertainment puroses.

But sometimes it is fun to play and see what changes do what, but I don;t get hung up trying to reach a specific number.

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Here's a good example of why it's important to know these things:

Lets say I'm interested in shooting 60#'s this fall....but I still want to shoot a mechanical BH.

Ya think it matters to know my KE? How would I decipher what that might be?

Yes....in some situations it IS important to know. If I were shooting 70#'s out of the 82nd....the point (RE: KE) would be moot.

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Im normally not very detailed as far as speed and KE. I have usedsetups with MUCHLESS over the years and they worked just fine granted the shots were good ones. I have killed plenty of deer and know what works for me. BUT, at the recent G2G, MECHDOC brung his crono, grain scale, poundage scale and we played with it a bit. I had no idea what my bow was shooting but i know now. I had two sets of arrows so i tested both and was surprised at the difference in speed with the different grain weights. I have the weights wrote down but here is what im thinking they were. With my victory arrows at 354 grains and bow maxed out i was shooting 301 fps. with my other arrows weighing in at 401 grains i was shooting 274 fps. Ill most likely go the heavier arrows for deer hunting. I can see myself buying some more toys :D

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You can actually get one at Radio Shack for around $40. The problem is you have to have a room or find a quite place outside (no wind, birds, etc.) that will give you consistent readings. You also have to isolate the sound of the arrow hitting the target because sometimes it is louder than the bow. There are a lot of variables that go into getting a good reading. I actually have it because of work. I didn't buy it because of archery and don't know that I would recommend it. You can tell more with your ear than you can with the meter anyhow.

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I am interested, but it very easy for me to go overboard. When that happens, my shooting suffers, because each shot is trying to answer a question other than, "Can I hit that spot?" I would say I'm much more particular about tuning than speed. My faster bow produces 70 ft# of KE, the "slow" one produces 63. Either will do the job. Both are tuned to shoot broadheads straight and true. I would be better off spending more time on the setup of my hunting areas and stands than worrying too much about the bow.;)

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The bottom line for me is putting my arrow where it belongs. I shoot fixed blade broadheads, so as long as i can put em'where i want em', the rest doesn't concern me.

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And we appreciate it too! Atleast I know I do!;)

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just starting to get into it now. just bought a grain scale. I was amazed at the gtg, when several of us did some comparison shooting w/a chrono. I was surprised as how an arrow 40 grains less, flew 40 fps faster. Also found that my 100 gr. field tips were actually a little over, 108. 104 etc. my muzzys all on @ 100gr. Just another step for obsessomg.

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After I get my bow all tuned up the first thing I do is break out my chrony and see what my arrow is doing. I am not truly worried about the speed though, I do it for the following reasons.....

1.) Knowing my KE allows me to examine the different types of broadheads to use. I am a fixed blade fan but I like knowing that I have 78 # of KE and that if I want to use a mechanical with a 2 3/4"cut I will have plenty of oomph behind my arrow.

2.) I personally won't hunt with a bow below 280 fps. With a 406 grain arrow my bow is shooting @ 295 fps. Knowing this tells me that I have about 45 grains to spare before I hit the 280 fps mark so I can tinker and toy and see how different weight arrows tune with my set up, see where my FOC goes, where my KE & momentum goes, etc.

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If an arrow weighing 40 grains less flew 40 fps faster then there were several different factors at play because a reduction of 40 grains will only yield you about 8-14 fps depending on the bow.

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I am detail oriented, but the details drive me nuts.....speed, arrow weight, k.e., dont I have enough to worry about like quiet,scent,SHOT PLACEMENT,form..........ugh
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