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How in the world can you sit here and say what an animal goes through when it is shot? Your not god, so stop preaching to us unless you know for certain. Arthur, just get the hell out of this forum and go burn some ants or something.

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Whatever.

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I can only say that using words like "agony", "torture", "terror" and "pain" within the context of hunting and killing an animal provides ammunition for PETA and others. These terms are human terms to describe human emotions and feelings. To suggest that lower animals experience the same emotions is arrogant and misleading. So, I support Arthur's position that we should be more responsible with what we write for public view!

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The man was stating his emotions using words that you may not choose to use while describing hunting. SO WHAT. Arthur himself used the word TERROR in his post. dstubb says he watched an animal die in what he feels is agony, because that is his human(and may actually be spot on) perception of the event he witnessed. He is in a tree stand, HOW is he supposed to "get away" from the dieing deer in order to relieve its TERROR TERROR TERROR? I just suggest that people learn how to communicate on here before you start calling someone "dense" and then belittling that person with bs sentences designed to do nothing more than antagonize that person.

And this... Geronimo "To suggest that lower animals experience the same emotions is arrogant and misleading."

To suggest that is to have a heart, one that beats with the animal you hunt, not one that believes it is above.

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I think that the entire world is aware that with death comes agony, torture, terror and pain. I don't think PETA would get very far trying to use that against hunting. When you kill something it goes through one of those emotions, i really doubt anyone is not aware of that already! PETA would probably feel good knowing that the hunting community is not a bunch of heartless redneck monsters that just want to kill, kill, kill. How about instead PETA recognizes that bowhunters do show respect and sympathy to the animal that they harvest.

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I never have enjoyed the "Killing" part, I tune it out and have become somewhat numb. I have tried to always make good clean shots, however mistakes and bad timing sometime happen. I hate it. I have only lost one deer that I shot with a bow. I Thought it was going to be a good shoot, however it wasent. Dont know what happend but I spent all day literaly searching. She was never found. I could not sleep, i was messed up over it.
There is a moment of solem respect I have for the animal when I recover it. I always thank God for providing, and then thank the animal, because it does provide life and sustenance. My family does rely alot on the game I harvest. We not starving by all means, we just choose to eat wild game rather than processed meat.
Killing is just one small aspect of the hunt

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You pop in a hunting forum, and whine about the "horrors" of watching Bambi die, then tell somebody trying to educate you to hit the bricks? This isn't Ophra. I'm tired of hearing this bull sensitivity about the death of an animal THAT YOU CAUSED! VOLUNTARILY! Get it? Don't kill it, no bad feelings. Pretty simple. How hard is it to understand? Some of the same people I read about their struggles with the actualkilling, are the same folks that fling an arrow 45 yards at a quartering away deer.Some compassion. If killing a deer causes so much emotional distress in your thinking, and you kill the animal anyway, what does that say about that person? Do you hunt to feel macho? To impressyour metrosexualfriends?

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Valor, you said i another post: "Why not live and let live people!" Just stop already, you only have 1 or 2 followers here. You have insulted almost everyone that has posted in this forum by saying: " Some of the same people I read about their struggles with the actual killing, are the same folks that fling an arrow 45 yards at a quartering away deer." You are not the popular opinion, so for the love of god throw in the down and learn to deal with defeat. By the way, YOU SUCK!

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Can I get a quick time-out, here?

Far be it from me to interrupt a good 'ol "you suck" v. "you're a metrosexual" debate.....but I just wanted to know what ya'll were arguing about....so that I might pick a side and decide if I wanted to be a sack rider or not.

Anybody familiar or can give me the Cliff's?

Thanks.:)

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valor---did you read the entire thread? "You pop in a hunting forum, and whine about the "horrors" of watching Bambi die, then tell somebody trying to educate you to hit the bricks? "


Noone was trying to "educate" him....someone didn't think they sufficiently got their point across then launched an unwarranted barrage on dstubbs. So read the whole thread then re-post.

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He can say it probably because he's read the scientific data available on how arrows kill, how a body shuts down, how there are not nerve endings except on the surface of an animal etc etc etc. Obviously you don't know any of this. Also obvious, you've probably never cut yourself with a broadhead or razor. Obviously you've never been shot, wounded or been hit with shrapnel. The point of entry pretty much goes dead, no feeling for a while. Oh sure, if it's a crappy hit someones going to hurt. But as Arthur states, if the arrow is placed properly, the animal is unconscious within seconds and dead shortly after. You say this is not a Peta question, you sound almost Peta brain yourself. Arthur gave you an answer you didn't like. That's because you don't know the fact. Further more, I doubt you've shot many deer much less watched any die in agony. Arthur doesn't have to leave the forum, he knows. Truth would be better served if you left.

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Science also says that there is no god! One cannot say what something else goes through while dying, unless you have once been that creature. I was never talking specific about the physical pain that an animal goes through while dying there is a whole mental side to it as well. Are you guy's actually arguing that animal has no pain or fear when it is lying there dying? Bottom line is that every animal that experiences death while conscious goes through a very unpleasant experience. Davidmill your so clever how you took what i said and reversed back onto me. How in the world did you come up with that? AMAZING!

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I am having a real hard time figuring out where some of you guys are coming from in your attempts to start something on this post that was not and is not even "there"...I just don't get all the hostility and name calling for NO reason. And you David, for some reason you always come across like the "end game" poster, very judgemental and sometimes just wing negative comments like you actually enjoy trying to be a jerk.

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x2 It makes me feel sorry for some individuals - I hope I dont end up like that. Now back to the original topic - I understand 100%. I dont like to take any life, for any reason. In my world, life is the one thing that is sacred. At the same time, Arthur's original post sums up the logical side for me perfectly. I love to hunt, and the kill is the defining moment of such.

The only argument here is perceived adjendas - for all sides.

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Brett you nailed it there buddy!! Very well said my friend!!!!:) You both have my utmost respect.;)

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My personal feelings: I have no issues killing an animal. I gain no pleasure nor do I feel any remorse, it just is what it is. I will feel bad, and be mad at myself if I mess up and things don’t end with a clean kill. But other than that, I’m just out there to hunt and efficiently kill the animal. That said, it absolutely breaks my heart to see an animal maimed buy a car, or in some other way rendered helpless and put in pain.

Now as far as the mini-debate on here: I feel more along the lines of Arthur & davidmil…(wow that’s a sentence I don’t write very often) ;)
It’s one thing to feel compassion for your quarry which many if not all here do, but, the wording of the post did overly personify the deer, and inaccurately depict what goes on.

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First, I don't post here to gain a "following". Obviously, you and your kind need someone to lead them, so you become part of a "following". Second, I could care less whether my opinion is popular.This thread isn't my opinion. It's a fact. The fact is, you cannot stomach (your words) the actual dying of a deer, but you kill it anyway. But you respect the animal, right? You do it for the thrill of the hunt, right? It's just the dying you find so replusive. I still cannot, and never will, understand how someboby can feel remorse, guilt, or whatever you want to call it when they kill a deer, then go out and do it again. Put the bow down and buy some golf clubs.

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Valor:

Please don't take this as confrontational.....because it isn't. But...that being said.....you don't HAVE to understand it. Hunting is personal. What makes you tick or affects you may not mean a hill of beans, to me.....and vice versa.

That doesn't make anyone "wrong" or anyone "right". We all do this for our own reasons and feel our own set of emotions as we go about it. I don't HAVE to understand yours.

Again....nothing I said was malicious. I hope it isn't taken in that manner.

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Valor, death is certain for everything and there is nothing i can do to prevent it. Like i said before, me putting an arrow through a deers lungs is much more humane than what most beef cattle go through during death. At least i'm not one of those people who eat beef but refuse to go hunting because it is animal cruelty. Me hunting is taking matters into my own hands, instead of letting some wack job in a slaughter house do it for me in a far less humane way. Yeah, it does pain me to see any creature in any kind of pain but death is part of life and i am just playing my role.

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this is a great post,i hate when deer give that last little death grunt or whatever that is but i will never let an animal suffer because thats my duty as a sportsman and as an individuall

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My thoughts ont he subjest on in line with what Rybo posted. I don't get personal pleasure, but I would not call what I feel remorse or sadness either.


My initial reaction when I know the shot waswell placed in one of joy and happiness...........does that make me a heartless bastard?

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i also feel bad knowing i will kill something while i hunt still is not going to stop me
i give the wild animals there due respect and when i get a kill i will even say a few word for the deer or what ever

I think anti hunter show us as heartless killers who are out to kill something i do not know one true hunter who gets off on killing something
it is not the killing part but the hunting part that makes us hunters

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Arthur I got your back buddy!

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You can't say that... someone will call you a jerk.[8D]