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Dubbya 07-01-2008 07:41 PM

RE: How big of a threat are coyotes?
 

ORIGINAL: GMMAT


Coyotes (as well as mosquitos)have the natural ability toadjust their litter sizes to reach carrying capacity, unlike most animals (deer, elk, antelope, etc.) that generally have 1 or 2 babies per year.
Interesting about the yotes....but I'm perplexed as to why you think a deer herd doesn't do the same thing.
Unfortunately, deer CAN'T do the same thing. While coyotes can have litters to upwards of 10, deer don't have that ability. A doe simply can't give birth and raise 5 fawns when the population is low. It takes much less nutrition for a female coyote to nurse her young than it does for a doe.Also, the offspring numbers for deer are almost directly related to food supply. This is determined through the fall and winter months, coyote offspring population is determined by the number of coyotes an area can sustain.

GMMAT 07-01-2008 07:46 PM

RE: How big of a threat are coyotes?
 

coyote offspring population is determined by the number of coyotes an area can sustain.
And deer herds are controlled (by mother nature) using the same principle. In areas of high deer density.....high (>60%) fawn mortality rates (due mainly to fawn abandonment) and does not being bred equate to the same end result (i.e. population determined by numbers the area can sustain).

Conversely.....in the climate I live in.....IF the population were low....I'm betting the fawn survival rate would be >1/doe.

There's a good article in the current D&DH discussing this. I'm also witnessing this in my woods.

Dubbya 07-01-2008 07:54 PM

RE: How big of a threat are coyotes?
 

ORIGINAL: GMMAT


coyote offspring population is determined by the number of coyotes an area can sustain.
And deer herds are controlled (by mother nature) using the same principle. In areas of high deer density.....high (>60%) fawn mortality rates (due mainly to fawn abandonment) and does not being bred equate to the same end result (i.e. population determined by numbers the area can sustain).

This is true, but your talking about the carrying capacity being maintained by mother nature. Even if the deer population is devastated by a horrible winter or something like blue tongue, all the does in the area can breed and have twins (assuming the food sources are adequate) and the herd can still be short of the carrying capacity. Coyotes on the other hand don't have that problem.

bemidjihunter 07-01-2008 07:56 PM

RE: How big of a threat are coyotes?
 

ORIGINAL: GMMAT

And deer herds are controlled (by mother nature) using the same principle. In areas of high deer density.....high (>60%) fawn mortality rates (due mainly to fawn abandonment) and does not being bred equate to the same end result (i.e. population determined by numbers the area can sustain).

Conversely.....in the climate I live in.....IF the population were low....I'm betting the fawn survival rate would be >1/doe.

Intresting side note-a doe will almost always concieve two fawns. If the winter is severe enough or if food is scarce enough, one will be misscaried. And if the option is there, it will always be the male. I'm not sure why.

GMMAT 07-01-2008 07:57 PM

RE: How big of a threat are coyotes?
 
Aahhhh. Understood. What might take a deer herd years to accomplish.....they can do in 1 season.

Gotcha.

Dubbya 07-01-2008 08:02 PM

RE: How big of a threat are coyotes?
 

ORIGINAL: GMMAT

Aahhhh. Understood. What might take a deer herd years to accomplish.....they can do in 1 season.

Gotcha.
Exactly.

janesburg 07-01-2008 08:04 PM

RE: How big of a threat are coyotes?
 

ORIGINAL: bemidjihunter


ORIGINAL: GMMAT



Intresting side note-a doe will almost always concieve two fawns. If the winter is severe enough or if food is scarce enough, one will be misscaried. And if the option is there, it will always be the male. I'm not sure why.
I've heard of the doe aborting a fetus if it can't support it (hard winter). I've never heard that the doe will always abort the male. Where did you get that information?

Dubbya 07-01-2008 08:22 PM

RE: How big of a threat are coyotes?
 

ORIGINAL: janesburg


ORIGINAL: bemidjihunter


ORIGINAL: GMMAT



Intresting side note-a doe will almost always concieve two fawns. If the winter is severe enough or if food is scarce enough, one will be misscaried. And if the option is there, it will always be the male. I'm not sure why.
I've heard of the doe aborting a fetus if it can't support it (hard winter). I've never heard that the doe will always abort the male. Where did you get that information?
I'm not sure where it came from, but it makes total sense. In order for mother nature to sustain a population, it would make sense for the males to be dropped. If the females were dropped, then the next year (after an already tough season) there would be that many less does to restore the herd.

The Rev 07-01-2008 08:42 PM

RE: How big of a threat are coyotes?
 
Depends on their food supply. I've had them kill my dogs, sheep and a calf once.Normally ifthey have plenty of rabbits they rarely mess with other animals.

Iknow somefarmers that do not kill them because rabbits can cause havoc on vegetable gardens.

robbcayman 07-01-2008 09:40 PM

RE: How big of a threat are coyotes?
 

ORIGINAL: Dubbya


ORIGINAL: GMMAT


coyote offspring population is determined by the number of coyotes an area can sustain.
And deer herds are controlled (by mother nature) using the same principle. In areas of high deer density.....high (>60%) fawn mortality rates (due mainly to fawn abandonment) and does not being bred equate to the same end result (i.e. population determined by numbers the area can sustain).

Wow, that is very interesting. I will try to wipe them all out then. ;)

This is true, but your talking about the carrying capacity being maintained by mother nature. Even if the deer population is devastated by a horrible winter or something like blue tongue, all the does in the area can breed and have twins (assuming the food sources are adequate) and the herd can still be short of the carrying capacity. Coyotes on the other hand don't have that problem.


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