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Vabowman 06-17-2008 06:31 AM

A lighter subject...
 
Being a history major/teacher I have to teach about early man and their nomadic culture. I always tell the class about the first humans in Africa and the tools/weapons they used. Very crude stuff, but effective. Fast forward several thousand years to around 25,000 yr ago and look what the Natives in the country used. Still very crude but very effective. So my question is, do any of you trad guys use you own hand made heads??? I would love to see em if you do. tell us how you make them, let us know how effective they are....

GMMAT 06-17-2008 06:57 AM

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Interesting.....

I'm interested in this type stuff, too. But...since Fran got crucified for not hunting with a new, out of the box head.....I'm anxious to see how this thread is perceived.

Pics if you got 'em, guys. Kudos and good luck.

Vabowman 06-17-2008 06:59 AM

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I didn't know he got hammered for that... yes, I would love to see pics, hell even if you don't hunt with the heads, post some pics of the ones you have found, that would be great!!!

early in 06-17-2008 07:02 AM

RE: A lighter subject...
 

ORIGINAL: GMMAT

Interesting.....

I'm interested in this type stuff, too. But...since Fran got crucified for not hunting with a new, out of the box head.....I'm anxious to see how this thread is perceived.

Pics if you got 'em, guys. Kudos and good luck.
There's that all too familiar twist that always seems to get injected.:eek::D:D:D Can we say "no spin zone"?;)

kickin_buck 06-17-2008 08:24 AM

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I don't use trad equipment at all, but I do have a buddy that took a nice 9 pointer a few years ago with a self bow, hand made arrows, and hand made broadhead. It was not the biggest buck in the woods, but considering the equipment used, a true trophy for sure.

Schultzy 06-17-2008 09:02 AM

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MichiganWhitetails has done it with the sinew wrapped flint broad heads. I think its neat as heck! I've never done it but I wouldn't hesitate one bit If I had a big enough collection of them to try it once. I know it would work just fine, put that arrow where its suppose to be and I guarantee you will be successful! These heads are razor sharp as well if sharpened right. I can't see why anyone would frown on it.

Vabowman 06-17-2008 09:10 AM

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I agree Steve, it would be awesome to see some pics of animals killed by homemade heads.

early in 06-17-2008 09:18 AM

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ORIGINAL: Schultzy

MichiganWhitetails has done it with the sinew wrapped flint broad heads. I think its neat as heck! I've never done it but I wouldn't hesitate one bit If I had a big enough collection of them to try it once. I know it would work just fine, put that arrow where its suppose to be and I guarantee you will be successful! These heads are razor sharp as well if sharpened right. I can't see why anyone would frown on it.
I agree Schultzy, that would be cool as all get out. Steve, I believe you could pull that off your damn self. That's the kind of confidence I have in you bro!;)Respect!

bawanajim 06-17-2008 09:33 AM

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While working in my field yesterday I found a beautiful blue flint point about two inches long, the back was broken off but it was still a great find. The bad news is several hours later when I reached in my pocket to show my wife it was gone.After laying in that field for god knows how long,I simply moved it to a new location in that very field.

Whats the chances of me finding it again.[:-]

Vabowman 06-17-2008 09:52 AM

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slim to none Jim, that sucks, just think, you could have killed your first giraffe with it....[>:]

BobCo19-65 06-17-2008 10:22 AM

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Like these?:

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Believe it or not these types of heads are much sharper then any metal head. I've tried knapping a few times, but I'm not very good at it. Some people are extremely talented at it.

salukipv1 06-17-2008 10:57 AM

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Tred Barta.....I believe made his own homeade wooden arrows....and perhaps his own bow.....many, well some guys will make their own bows, strings, arrows, not sure about shale broadheads etc...from stone....



nchawkeye 06-17-2008 01:29 PM

RE: A lighter subject...
 
I had a friend that used to make flint knives and also skinned deer with them, just to see how well they worked, they were very effective...I have cut my finger many times on the flint in my flintlock and also the shards that I use when I teach kids at school how to make fire with a flint and steel...

Last year the Museum of Natural History in Raleigh had the original John White paintings on display, they were fasinating...For those who don't know who John White was, his grand daughter was Virginia Dare, his daughter was one of the settlers of the "Lost Colony"...

He had several pictures of Indian warriers and their bows, one even showing them hunting with a deer hide, including the skull and antlers on their heads (kids don't try this in the woods)...He also pointed out that one side of their heads was shaved, while the other left long, even braided....

Now....Who knows why they would shave (actually pluck the hair) on one side of their head??? VaBowman, hold your answer as I'm sure you know, John Smith made the same observation...

early in 06-17-2008 01:36 PM

RE: A lighter subject...
 

ORIGINAL: BobCo19-65

Like these?:

Click_Here

Believe it or not these types of heads are much sharper then any metal head. I've tried knapping a few times, but I'm not very good at it. Some people are extremely talented at it.
That is some AWESOME craftsmanship!! Just beautiful. They are like fine pieces of jewelry, too nice to ever use.

Vabowman 06-17-2008 04:14 PM

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BobCo, good stuff there brother!!

Sportsfann 06-17-2008 06:14 PM

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We find some around here in Charleston in the ditches at the hunting clubs, we also find sharks teeth one guy found one of those giant sharks tooth Megligon or something like that it was awesome.

MichiganWhitetails74 06-17-2008 09:12 PM

RE: A lighter subject...
 
Hey guys...The only flint & sinew pic I have is up north at the cabin...Here is my uncle with our trad set ups we used heavily in the late 90's...and some kills....look closely at the character of the bows(Osage cured in a stream and set...and the heads....flint....sinew from deer tendons off of actual bow kills from the years before....and the turkey fletch barred...cut knocks wrapped in sinew around the base for streath....




this has a steel head.....




This 3 point was killed with Obsidian which is a naturally occurring glass formed as an extrusive igneous rock.




Here is my knotted knurly Osage bow that my uncle made....It is 70 pounds @ 28 inches...very fast...and harder on the joints as I get older...I killed 4 deer with this bow...2 with flint....both flint kills were lung shots that died beteen 30 & 60 yards of my stand...1 pass through...one not....15 yards is a preferred distance.....

My uncle sells these bows between 300-600 dollars depending on design, buck horned ends, snake skin, raw hide,or sinew backed for durability...just like the Indians Justin!



bloodcrick 06-17-2008 09:51 PM

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Cool pics mich. ;)and congrats on the very primitive kills. Im not 100% sure but im thinking in some states its Illigal to hunt with flint heads, please correct me if im wrong, just thinking. I to am intriged with flint heads and the way the primitive people lived there lives. I HAD [:@]a hell of a collection of heads, blades, drills, hammer stones, screpers and so on ,that i lost ALL of in a house fire back in 2005 [:@]This one in the pic has an interesting story. When i was hunting turkeys with Heartland bowhunter, me and Hunsucker were walking through a pasture trying to get a position on some turkeys. We crossed a small stream where cattle use it, and has stopped on the other side to ready equipment. I was neeling down and started noticing ALOT of flint all around me. Well i know when im in gold so i started glancing around and not three feet from me was this beautiful gray and tan banded blade that was 3 1/2" long. I will probably incorporate it in the habitat base when i get my mount back. cools stuff guys ;)
EDIT:: Doh!! I forgot the pic, here it is :DThe pic is very fuzzy


BobCo19-65 06-18-2008 06:54 AM

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Cool pics Michigan!

MichiganWhitetails74 06-18-2008 08:31 PM

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Nothing illegal in Michigan about flint.....Never heard of this....Kind of makes me a little hostil....and I'm a pretty mellow guy

I mean gosh...send one in the lungs and then email me and tell me if it should be illegal....when you make a hole in the side of an animals ribs the blood flows and you follow a blood trail and the animal is dead.....

If I had one wish I would wish for all of us to have one experience with flint heads....and this is coming from a guy that still choses a wheeled weapon as his weapon of choice...not because I think Flint is not capable...only because I am more confident and I have not had the time and dedication to develop the confidence I had 10 years ago...I owe it to the animal....

However...Bw's Hunting Adventure's 2008....will have a stick bow killl..

WHERE IS THE MAN WITH THE MAGIC?

Vabowman 06-18-2008 08:51 PM

RE: A lighter subject...
 
awesome pics Brian!!

bloodcrick 06-18-2008 10:04 PM

RE: A lighter subject...
 
Dang man calm down. In absolutly No way was i accusing you of being illegal. I was simply stating that i have heard/read that flint heads were illigal in some states, not michigan. This was quite awhile ago that i read this, im sure its changed but i dont know. I respected the fact that you had some kills under your belt with them. I think its totally cool and would try it in a heart beat.
Dink

ORIGINAL: MichiganWhitetails74

Nothing illegal in Michigan about flint.....Never heard of this....Kind of makes me a little hostil....and I'm a pretty mellow guy

I mean gosh...send one in the lungs and then email me and tell me if it should be illegal....when you make a hole in the side of an animals ribs the blood flows and you follow a blood trail and the animal is dead.....

If I had one wish I would wish for all of us to have one experience with flint heads....and this is coming from a guy that still choses a wheeled weapon as his weapon of choice...not because I think Flint is not capable...only because I am more confident and I have not had the time and dedication to develop the confidence I had 10 years ago...I owe it to the animal....

However...Bw's Hunting Adventure's 2008....will have a stick bow killl..

WHERE IS THE MAN WITH THE MAGIC?

MichiganWhitetails74 06-20-2008 07:13 PM

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Hey bloodcreek...I wasn't mad at all ...and I didn't think you were cutting any angles on traditional....No problems here buddy...Peace!


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