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can someone tell me why a D loop/ string loop whatever ya call it,has to be so agitating?? I mean it seems like everyone I get put on ends up twisting, that would be ok if it didn't end up screwing with my peep. Anyway, I got a new tied on today but it seems a bit longer than the old one. and there is more space between the knock points. does length of the loop affect draw length or anything??

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BCY-twisting problem solved.

As for your nocking points... Your nock on the end of your arrow should fit snugly against your nocking points, you shouldnt be able to move your arrow up/down any on the string once nocked.

And finally... yes different lengths of D-loops will create different draw lengths.

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Of course it does, by about a 1/2 inch or whatever long it is from your string. I am wondering if I should just get rid of mine and shoot from the string. It seems like it might be a smoother shot from the string? You probably just need someone else to tie the loop on for you.

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Swift, I did let someone else, always have Im moron, but, it seems nobody around here uses BCY!!! See Iwas told that you want some space to keep from pinching the nock. So you are saying that the nock should not have any play or roomto move??

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The length does not change you dl it only changes your ancor point

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X2.

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Im no expert maybe Greg can Chime in but mine has NO play, because if you nock it low and sight in low, what happens when that play moves to high? Your bow is not sighted anymore. Thats the way i see it.

VA- It's really simple to tie your own D-loops, It's one of the few things I do own my own. I enjoy it. I would open up a D-loop tying business if i could.LOL. I got tired of nobody tying them how i wanted it. Check this thread out and try it yourself;)

http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=2185934

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There I go again with the wrong answers, ha ha!

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It may not Change the ACTUAL DL of the bow, but your release is grabbing further/closer to the string thus creating a different DL;)

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That was the way I was looking at it also.I didn't know that I had to be technically correct! ha ha

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It creates a different ancor point

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Yes but it still changes your overall drawlength too.

If I may quote MeanV from a previous post....

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Ok so tell me how it changes your DL ?

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A longer draw length DOES change your draw. You are drawing the bow farther back. Some people may not notice it, but I can tell an 1/8" from where I shoot so often and shoot a BT. I know what it "should" feel like.

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Once again it only changes your ANCOR point . The draw length is still the same . You can not change a dl from a longer loop

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Ok... You connect your release to the string and draw, anchor and shoot.

Now... you connect your release to a 3/4 D-loop and you Draw, bringing the string back 3/4" more than from connecting straight to the string.

Thus... Changing your Anhor AND overal Draw length.

Right?

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I've heard that semantical argument for years and years... to me, and maybe I'm letting it get the best of me -- but it's just that: semantics. It's almost like when someone asks a rifle shooter what "minute of angle" means, and someone answers "one inch for every 100 yards." The semantically correct answer would be to say, "No, that's wrong." If you answered that way, you would technically be correct (since MOA is actually 1.0471996 inches at 100 yards), but the person asking the question is still left wondering why not.

No, it doesn't change the BOW'S draw length ... and technically, it doesn't change what the shooter's draw length SHOULD be. Problem is, it changes his effective draw length all things being equal -- because it will move a shooter's anchor point rearward by whatever length the d-loop adds past the point as if he were shooting "off the string." Sometimes this can be a good thing, sometimes not; it all depends on how properly the bow was fitted to the shooter before the addition of a d-loop.

In my case, I'm a true 29" draw length when shooting off the string... I have to shorten my dl anywhere from 1/8" to 1/4" when adding a loop, and that's largely because I tie them so short and use a release head specially designed to not lose dl when using a loop.

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Aaron, actually, NO. The draw length of the bow is what it is. If you short change your Ally, it'll take off just as if you creep at full draw. Everyone "usually" draws the bow to the wall and then anchors. The loop is no different. The bow is still at full draw if drawn to the wall and the anchor changes depending on the loop length.

The only time that draw length is compromised according to loop length is on a bow that is not drawn to the wall but no one I know holds a bow at full draw half way to through the valley, or at least they shouldn't.

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Nope the Draw length is still the same only your ancor has changed

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I stand corrected. I thought i knew more than i did, Im learning.

The Bold is what made it click... Thanks Rob, I understand.

MLBH--- sorry bud;)

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It's all good . we are all here to help and learn

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so if my loop is a bit longer than it was, maybe that's why I slapped my damn arm about 5 times yesterday!!! I have not done that with this bow until I put a new loop on. My anchor feels a bit different as well.

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" it all depends on how properly the bow was fitted to the shooter before the addition of a d-loop. "

Interesting.

I think what Maryland hunter is trying to say is that in terms of actual draw lenght to the bow and not the shooter does not change. So technically, he is correct. Because it does not change the bow's performance in fps or anything like that. So yes, it does only change the anchor point. I wish he would have just said that without me having to critically think, owey it hurts! LOL

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yeah, what they said.

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What Greg and Rob said.

I am 28'' off the string, with loop 27.5. I went a tad shorter because when I hunt with heavy cloths I feel I can anchor better. I have a short loop also like greg.