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I have shot the Rage 2 blade into the Morrell target and noticed that to blades weren't fully open upon entry. So I thought of something that would hopefully fix the problem.

What i was thinking.

What if I ditched the rubber O rings and just put one of those orthodontic elastics on the Rages (like the Snipers).

I wanted to try that out.

Heres what I did to try it.

I shot one rage 2 blade with O ring into the Morrell target,next I shot another 2 blade but this time with the O ring and elastic on, last I shot a 2 blade with the elastic only. All arrows were shot at a distance of about 5 yards.

Here are the results

2 Blade with O ring

Blades not fully open upon entry of target.


2 Blade with O ring and elastic

Same results as with O ring only.


2 Blade with elastic.

Blades fully open upon entry!!:)




Next thing I want to try is to see if 2 Blade with elastics only will open in flight when shot at further distances. This is the only thing I am concerned about. Another thing I am considering of doing is making a small grove in the "wings" were the elastic will sit and weighing them to make sure they all weigh the same.

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all that just to get the blades to open, why don't you just shoot a muzzy fixed blade and forget about it......???? ok, everyone can pounce now;)

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muzzy?? ppphhh........Steel Force!

lol jk:D

cool test though!

sorry VA....just had to

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could it be that the mesh material of your morrell isnt the same as deer hide?? i dont know just a question i thought of reading this. it is an intresting thought seeing as how im not sure what head im gunna use this year

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hell I shot mine threw thin cardboard and they were open full 2" slice going threw the box!

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thats very interesting. I remember 5shot(?) that does the broadhead testing, stated that "Completly Full" deployment was not achieved when shot into an orange.

Ahhh. here it is....

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Honestly, that's not at all a real life test. The blades are beyond fully open on live game thus the larger entry hole VS exit hole and these type of comments come from ignorance and I don't even use Rage but I do Snyper with the Elastic (rubber band) O ring.

It wasn't to get the blades to open, they open period, it was to keep them unnecessarily closed. (Ignorance).

See above (). ;)

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I have complete confidence that my Rages will open upon entrance.

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pppffffff G5 montecs

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Oh I'm sure they will be fully open when shot at a deer i just wanted to see with the target.:) I measured some of the hloes and when I shot it at an angle the hole was a nice 31/2" hole. :D

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It was a joke Rob.....I don't care what anyone shoots, I was just giving him a hard time, notice I said "pounce on me" just a joke man, not ignorance.

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I like muzzy as well;)

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should they be fully open on the entrance or is it better to fully open as it is on the back side of the ribs so you get less momentum loss trying to cut the ribs ? just a thought

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MUZZY SUCKS SHOOT RAGE

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very good thought. i would be interested to know what the answer would be, or just some thoughts.

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Rage are awesome heads, destroy the target, I just don't want that issue on my mind while hunting. I know my blades are open at all times and I can kill just the same as any other head. Everyone has their personal likes and dislikes, hell if I knew they would open 100% of the time, I would shoot them, but I don't know that they will.....

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I get 2" openings on my targets!

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Rob beat me too it. The hide of a deer is much more resistant than foam, or an orange.

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I wouldn't worry to much about ribs, complete pass thru, the 2 blade Rage did its job and then some coming out of my 61# bow!

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What "issue" would that be?

These threads are hilarious. For all you guys who shun mechanicals ......citing "moving parts" as your reasoning........I suppose you'll be foregoing the drive to your next destination .....and walking, instead. You know.....cars have moving parts.

I hope cars catch-on, though. They're damned efficient.;)

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I would be willing to bet you have had a car break down more times than you have broken you leg.

Im not biased toward fixed blade or mechanical, but I can see where hes coming from. To each his own...

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So....using this logic....I suppose you'll forego the vehicle?

I'm not even talking about BH's. I'm just talking plain old LOGIC. If you fear moving parts so much (in archery)......go trad.......or hell just throw rocks.

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Like I said im not biased. If Va wants to use fixed blades he can (That doesn't mean he has to chime in everytime a Rage thread pops up).

But still, thats why we're all sitting on our computers right now. Solving the worlds problems, one thread at a time.;)

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I said, I WOULD SHOOT THEM IF I KNEW THAT THEY WOULD OPEN 100% OF THE TIME!!!!! I know they are awesome heads and that they do some serious damage, I would love to shoot them honestly, I just don't feel comfortable. I mean something we have control over Jeff, BH are one of them, if I know my heads are open all the time and will not ever be "not open" then why would I want to shoot something that maybe not open?? even if it's 99% ??? I just feel better shooting a fixed head, but I can tell you all that if I ever do go mech, it will be a Rage. Jeff, why do you think Im downing these heads??? Did you not read that I thought they were awesome except for the fact that they may not open??

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When I used to hunt with my CB;)[:@]:D, I used Spitfires (no rubber bands). They ALWAYS opened, and left a GAPING hole. I don't think I can recall anyonemaking negetive comments about them. If you like expandables, I'd say go with Spitfires! JMHO

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I don't. I never mentioned you or someone "downing" the BH's. I just made a statement about irrational fears.

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careful early......you are treading on sacred Rage ground.....;)

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I know, I just thought I'd break up the monotony.:D:D:D

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So Jeff you honestly do not think it is a legitmate fear??? I mean Im not trying to get into this dead horse debate, I know Rage head are freakin awesome when they work, but I know a few, not a lot of people that have shot them and they did not open. Im just saying, with a fixed blade, it's not an issue at all. Even if Rage has a 99% open rate, there is still a 1 % chance that it won't. Have you not heard of anyone having this trouble??? Fixed blade is 100% OF THE TIME, THAT IS MY ONLY ISSUE WITH ANY MECH HEAD.

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Personally? No, I don't. I have a VERY small circle of friends within the hunting community that I trust, implicitly. If they were having issues....."I'd" trust their intution and experiences. To date.....I/we've experienced nothing witht his product that would incite fear in us. So....No fear.

I also think, beofre you attempt to utilize this product....you need to do a fair assessment of your equipment.

No. 1 - Are you pushing enough KE to shoot a mechanical (much less THIS one)? I am. No fear.

No. 2 - Is your bow in tune? Mine is. Again....NO fear.

No. 3 - What kind of quiver are you utilizing? The reason I say this is.....I use the Bohning that sort of allows my BH's to "hover" in the protective end. By doing this (and not allowing the BH to come into contact with the foam type quivers) there's no pressure put on the BH at all. No pressure = no unwanted "opening" of the BH in the quiver. The Bohning employs a method of stabilizing your arrows with 2 contact points....and the head sort of (again) "hovers" in the protective end of the quiver.

There are equipment issues that need to be addressed and accounted for before you choose any BH. I feel like I've done my homework on these....and I (or anyone I know WELL using these) have done so, also.

If I ever have any issues like some describe, here.....I'll re-assess my choice. I have no ties to any BH.....any bow mfr.....or any other mfr. I only use what's been tried and proven to be effective. And....if I didn't think it was 100% reliable....it wouldn't tip my arrow. If (in my opinion) someone produces a better head for MY set-up......I'll switch. Until then.....I'll continue to employ this product.

That's my .02. Good luck with your choices, this fall.

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Just a question
How could ya tell they werent fully opening on contact? Did they go through and werent open open on the other side? Did ya use special cameras? I am just curious, not trying to start anything. I understand your worries but the way I figure it, 3/4 of open is still 1-1/2.

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I have no experience with the Rage heads, I have friends who have shot deer and the blades were closed even with a pass through. Now, this has happened twice with mech heads that I know of. I have read a few posts about about Rage heads not opening on this forum, but I think they were mainly the 3 blade Rage. I saw several pics of the affects of the rage heads, it was quite impressive. My issu is still the fact that there is a possibilty that they won't open.

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If you are talking to me, the hole in the target wasn't as big as it should have been it was still big not not 2 inch.