Arrows Grouping horizontally?
 

It's seems that my arrowsare grouping in a horizontal line. Is there some type of tuning problem with my bow, or is this just bad shooting on my part?I know that if your groups are grouping in a vertical line, it can be fixed by moving your nocking point higher. But I'm clueless here.

(This group was shot from 30 yards.)

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TTT

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Looking at your target, everybody should have your problem.;)

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LOL, Thanks. :D

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ya looks good to me, but im no expert

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There is a sticky on the technical page that TFOX was kind enough to put up for us that addresses this problem specifically.... I think its titled "Don't Stop at Walkback Tuning." Something to that effect. He uses much the same method as I do, and it works really really well. It may well just be that its shooter error... but read his post and follow his lead and you'll know for sure.

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I think those groups are perfect, first off all your outside and a little bit of wind can do that, second of all its probly just you being off the mark a little, but the group is great.

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That is a great group. My shots are similar to that also and im really happy with how im shooting.

Abar is right, wind can mess with your shooting ALOT. If you are rally getting picky go to a indoor target shoot and practice there.

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I'll read TFOX's post and give it another try.:)

Thanks for the compliments!:D

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Looks like to me you don't want to tear up arrows--Like you may be pulling the shot at the last second JMO.
Good group though--It'll kill!!

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Your group looks good. You really can't tune and sight in on a 3D target. You need a 5 spot or Vegas style target for those fine adjustments. Your group at this point may be you or the bow or what ever. Start shooting at the center X on a bullseye and see where you are at. Your shots should be evenly distributed in and around the X.

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I always consider solid shooting to be 1" for every 10 yards of distance. That group looks like 3" at 30 yards. So, like everyone else, I'm thinking your'e trying to fix something that ain't broke. Still, the shot that goes left in the horizontal line may be a slight hand torque issue. I know my "fliers" tend to be low and a little left.

There is some stuff in Easton's tuning guide about tuning groups. You might download this valuable little brochure.

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what's wrong with it?? That is damn good, don't F with anything keep shooting and shooting well!!!!!

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well looks fine to me if anything your fletching is hitting but there would be some up and down movement or your gripping the bow other than that its you trust me i know im a certified archery instructor

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Horizontal groups can be caused from centershot not being set correctly.

They can also be caused from torque or form issues.I have seen your form,have you played with the draw length in 1/8" increments to see if there is a sweet spot for you?


They can also be caused from punching the release.


So have fun pinpointing which one is the culprit.[8D]

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I you are repeatedly (and each arrow is not consistant) doing that it might be from torquing your bow (or slight changes in grip from shot to shot). I got that same problem a couple years and only figured out it was me that was the problem by marking each arrow and keeping track of where they hit. If each arrow is consistant then its something else.

yea, what TFOX said....use what i mentioned to narrow it down a bit hopefully.

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Maybe you have buck fever . Try taking the antlers off and shoot again . :eek:

It appears that you have the distance / height locked in . Are you gripping the bow and tourqueing it ? Are you thinking about ruining an arrow and pulling the shot ? Don't be too quick to blame it on the equipment . Just some thoughts ......

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am I missing something here??? I thought that was a great group at 30 yds. I will take that every time on a deer. If anything I would say you are torquing the bow, but it doesn't seem to be that big of a problem, if you ain't shooting a 3D or competition of some sort, Id say you are shooting as as good as anyone for hunting purposes, which is really all that matters in the first place.

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I agree and that is probably better than most but some aspire for better and it is quite possible to be much better than that group.Not saying that isn't really good shooting,just some want better.

I know at 1 time if that was my group at 30 yards,I would be really upset,now,I would be very content with it.

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TFoX, I agree totaly!! Nothing wrong with wanting to tighten em up, but he just needs to know that he is shooting well and that tinkering with it can do more harm than good. I say for him to shot at 10, 15 20 yds and see what's up there and then report back, even if it is shooting horizontally, it aint bad!!!:D

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Assuming the bow is tuned pretty well, horizontal spreads are often a sign of too long a draw. Try doing some minor tweaking. You'd be awfully surprised at what 1/4" shorter can do for you.

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This is one of the very best pieces of advice I've gotten on this forum since Ibecame a member.;)

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I have found for me personally that it is a sign of being too SHORT.Both short and long cause grouping problems.;)

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True, but how many people do you know that shoot too short? Not many. I guess that's why I said long.

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Actually,nowadays with the internet and everyone saying too long is a problem,I am seeing too short as much as too long.:eek:Atleast in shooting circles,the average Joe hunter is still shooting too long.

I have seen his pics and he is within normal ranges and a 1/4" either way might yield a positve result.


If I were a betting man,I would bet that the not using proper release techniques is the culprit but not being there in person makes it impossible for me to tell.

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If youre thinking you have a problem, id love to have that problem...oh wait i do.....i wouldnt change a thing, maybe justa tad fine tuning and youre all set.

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all these guys have given you some good advice, but if it were me, I wouldn't touch it, how are your groups at 15, 20, 25 yds??

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I just checked my centershot and it's perfect. :D

As far as my draw length goes, I haven't been able to adjustthat.

I'm just assuming that it's justme punching the release.[>:]

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I agree, that would be good enough for deer hunting, but I'm going to be shooting in a ASA tournament next weekend, and I want toshoot the bestpossible groups Ican. :D

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I'll post some pictures of my groups at 15, 20, and 25 yards as soon as possible. :D

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Ijust sold my Cobra Easy Slide sight with the HUGE .039 pins and bought a Tru-Site Extreme with five .019 pins. Those .039 pins covered up mostof the target at 30 yards. [8D]

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How far back are you shooting? Looks good to me I can do that out to 30 yards but after that the group opens up a lot. They look like kills to me just shoot and have fun!

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That group was shot from 30 yards.

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ok, well I said unless you were shooting a 3d, so yeh, you will need to tighten up.

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Was that group with the .039 pins or the .019? Large pins can definately have that effect.


You can play with the loop to adjust the draw length.Or twist the string but these adjustments require some slight retuning.I prefer playing with the loop.


BUT,I am leaning toward working on good solid back tension release.Regardless of whether or not you are using a true BT.

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I'm not trying to be a bugger here 8pt, so forgive if it may seem that way.... these are just a few friendly counter questions that might hopefully lead to you shooting even better. I'm the type of guy who is hardly ever satisfied, and I'm much much more picky about my hunting equipment than my target equipment (because for me... targets and even tournaments are just practice for hunting).

Here is the big ? for me:

How exactly did you check your center shot?

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Thegroup pictured was shot with the .039 pins.

As far as the loop goes, I'll try playing withthat some more.

I'm also trying to work on a solid back tension release, but it's kind of hard to get used to and execute repeatedly.