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Swift Arrow 05-16-2008 09:17 PM
Black Ice not pulling its weight
 
The birth cert states that it IBO's at 299 with a 29" draw at 71 lbs. However, it actually max's out at 68 lbs.

Should I call Bowtech? Has anyone else had this problem?

Swift Arrow 05-16-2008 09:38 PM
RE: Black Ice not pulling its weight
 
No impact, no idea?

MeanV2 05-16-2008 09:42 PM
RE: Black Ice not pulling its weight
 
Do you know if the scales you are checking the bow on is accurate? 3# is not that much and is easy to get if indeed it is off.

I would check it on a few scales you might get a few different readings. I've seen scales at shops in this area vary 5#

Dan

Swift Arrow 05-16-2008 09:47 PM
RE: Black Ice not pulling its weight
 
Thanks Dan, I had a few different experienced shooters pull it back and they agreed that it was in the 60's. I even pulled back my buddies Drenalin at 72 and could barely do it. There is no question that it is amiss.

MeanV2 05-16-2008 09:56 PM
RE: Black Ice not pulling its weight
 
ORIGINAL: Swift Arrow

Thanks Dan, I had a few different experienced shooters pull it back and they agreed that it was in the 60's. I even pulled back my buddies Drenalin at 72 and could barely do it. There is no question that it is amiss.
I definitely would put No stock in what someone thought it felt like. Each Bow has its own unique draw cycle and will obviously feel different.

Dan

Swift Arrow 05-16-2008 10:02 PM
RE: Black Ice not pulling its weight
 
I am pretty confident that it is only pulling in the 60's. I will take it to Gander Mountain and the local archery shop tomorrow. I don't know if it is worth the cost of gas to find out, but it bothers me that it would fall short of what is stamped on the birth cert. Grrrrrr.....

Don't get me wrong though, it is still a sweet shooting bow. Just losing a little bit of trust is all I am sayin'.....

whitetailbowhunter 05-16-2008 10:45 PM
RE: Black Ice not pulling its weight
 

ORIGINAL: Swift Arrow

I am pretty confident that it is only pulling in the 60's. I will take it to Gander Mountain and the local archery shop tomorrow. I don't know if it is worth the cost of gas to find out, but it bothers me that it would fall short of what is stamped on the birth cert. Grrrrrr.....

Don't get me wrong though, it is still a sweet shooting bow. Just losing a little bit of trust is all I am sayin'.....
Why would you be loosing some trust? It might be the scale that was off or maybe you cable stretched thus reducing your poundage?

bigbulls 05-17-2008 07:37 AM
RE: Black Ice not pulling its weight
 
How many times have you shot this bow before now?

Bowtech makes some of the better factory strings and cables but theywill strech out a little and when they do you will loose some weight.

Swift Arrow 05-17-2008 09:50 AM
RE: Black Ice not pulling its weight
 
I have shot it quite a bit. The archery shop weighed at the same 68 pounds. They tightened the string and it only gained a half of apound.

I guess it doesn't really matter,I am just nit picky. Besides my buddy says he can twist the bus cable a couple of times and maybe even get it up to 72 lbs.

Matt/TN 05-17-2008 10:39 AM
RE: Black Ice not pulling its weight
 
Put a few twists in the split harness. Problem solved.

Swift Arrow 05-17-2008 10:58 AM
RE: Black Ice not pulling its weight
 
I am not so sure that I will. I am only losing what, 5 or 10 fps? I will probably just put it up for sale after the season to upgrade and get another Diamond anyhow depending on what they come out with. It is still a sweet shooter. I am just being nit picky. I am like that unfortunately.

Swift Arrow 05-17-2008 10:59 AM
RE: Black Ice not pulling its weight
 
ORIGINAL: whitetailbowhunter

ORIGINAL: Swift Arrow

I am pretty confident that it is only pulling in the 60's. I will take it to Gander Mountain and the local archery shop tomorrow. I don't know if it is worth the cost of gas to find out, but it bothers me that it would fall short of what is stamped on the birth cert. Grrrrrr.....

Don't get me wrong though, it is still a sweet shooting bow. Just losing a little bit of trust is all I am sayin'.....
Why would you be loosing some trust? It might be the scale that was off or maybe you cable stretched thus reducing your poundage?
No, I jumped the gun a little. Remember, I am new to this stuff!

Is cable twisting a safe thing to do?

RefusetoFollow 05-17-2008 11:58 AM
RE: Black Ice not pulling its weight
 
Thanks Dan, I had a few different experienced shooters pull it back and they agreed that it was in the 60's. I even pulled back my buddies Drenalin at 72 and could barely do it. There is no question that it is amiss.
If you could barely pull your friends bow back at 72# why would you want your bow maxed out anyway?

Matt/TN 05-17-2008 12:02 PM
RE: Black Ice not pulling its weight
 
ORIGINAL: Swift Arrow

ORIGINAL: whitetailbowhunter

ORIGINAL: Swift Arrow

I am pretty confident that it is only pulling in the 60's. I will take it to Gander Mountain and the local archery shop tomorrow. I don't know if it is worth the cost of gas to find out, but it bothers me that it would fall short of what is stamped on the birth cert. Grrrrrr.....

Don't get me wrong though, it is still a sweet shooting bow. Just losing a little bit of trust is all I am sayin'.....
Why would you be loosing some trust? It might be the scale that was off or maybe you cable stretched thus reducing your poundage?
No, I jumped the gun a little. Remember, I am new to this stuff!

Is cable twisting a safe thing to do?
Cable twisting is perfectly fine. I do it all the time.

MeanV2 05-17-2008 01:39 PM
RE: Black Ice not pulling its weight
 
Tightening/Twisting the string will cause you to lose #'s

Tightening/Twisting the cables will gain you #'s

Dan

Swift Arrow 05-17-2008 02:37 PM
RE: Black Ice not pulling its weight
 
ORIGINAL: RefusetoFollow

Thanks Dan, I had a few different experienced shooters pull it back and they agreed that it was in the 60's. I even pulled back my buddies Drenalin at 72 and could barely do it. There is no question that it is amiss.
If you could barely pull your friends bow back at 72# why would you want your bow maxed out anyway?
Because I am getting there and it won't be much longer.

Swift Arrow 05-17-2008 02:39 PM
RE: Black Ice not pulling its weight
 
Alright cool, I will have my friend just twist the cables a couple of times. Problem solved! Good, because I love my bow. :)

whitetailbowhunter 05-17-2008 03:17 PM
RE: Black Ice not pulling its weight
 
ORIGINAL: Swift Arrow

ORIGINAL: whitetailbowhunter

ORIGINAL: Swift Arrow

I am pretty confident that it is only pulling in the 60's. I will take it to Gander Mountain and the local archery shop tomorrow. I don't know if it is worth the cost of gas to find out, but it bothers me that it would fall short of what is stamped on the birth cert. Grrrrrr.....

Don't get me wrong though, it is still a sweet shooting bow. Just losing a little bit of trust is all I am sayin'.....
Why would you be loosing some trust? It might be the scale that was off or maybe you cable stretched thus reducing your poundage?
No, I jumped the gun a little. Remember, I am new to this stuff!

Is cable twisting a safe thing to do?
I can't see why it would be unsafe!! Just as long as you don't crank it to 80#:D

Vabowman 05-17-2008 03:55 PM
RE: Black Ice not pulling its weight
 
so what you guys are saying is that after the bow settles and everything stretches, it's good to have the poundage checked and make the adjustments to get it back to where you had it when you bought it? If you want to that is..

whitetailbowhunter 05-17-2008 04:06 PM
RE: Black Ice not pulling its weight
 

ORIGINAL: Vabowman

so what you guys are saying is that after the bow settles and everything stretches, it's good to have the poundage checked and make the adjustments to get it back to where you had it when you bought it? If you want to that is..
Well that's what I'm saying! :D You will get better performance you of your bow this way. (guys correct me if I'm wrong!)

MeanV2 05-17-2008 04:21 PM
RE: Black Ice not pulling its weight
 
ORIGINAL: Vabowman

so what you guys are saying is that after the bow settles and everything stretches, it's good to have the poundage checked and make the adjustments to get it back to where you had it when you bought it? If you want to that is..
Exactly!! But usually things move very little after the intial settling period.

Dan

Vabowman 05-17-2008 04:42 PM
RE: Black Ice not pulling its weight
 
so what is the initial settling period?? 6 months? 1 yr? 1.5 yr??

txjourneyman 05-17-2008 04:58 PM
RE: Black Ice not pulling its weight
 
More like 50 shots with a quality string.

Vabowman 05-17-2008 05:00 PM
RE: Black Ice not pulling its weight
 
wow, only 50 shots, well mine is settled then.

MeanV2 05-17-2008 05:39 PM
RE: Black Ice not pulling its weight
 
ORIGINAL: txjourneyman

More like 50 shots with a quality string.
I Agree 50 to 100 shots. I've been very impressed with the Bowtech strings I've had. My 05 Ally was shot a bunch and I never had to touch it for over a year after the 1st 50 or so shots. Same experience I've had with Vapor Trails, and BuckNasty's

Dan

Swift Arrow 05-17-2008 05:47 PM
RE: Black Ice not pulling its weight
 
Thanks guys! My appologies to Bowtech for "jumping the string" :D

Vabowman 05-17-2008 06:06 PM
RE: Black Ice not pulling its weight
 
So Dan should I re check everything now, DL, weight poundage, screws etc... it's been shot at 50 times now if not more. probably upwards of 80-100 shots.

MeanV2 05-17-2008 09:00 PM
RE: Black Ice not pulling its weight
 
ORIGINAL: Vabowman

So Dan should I re check everything now, DL, weight poundage, screws etc... it's been shot at 50 times now if not more. probably upwards of 80-100 shots.
I would and then you don't have to worry about it!:D

I check over my Bows on a regular basis. Actually that's a good habit to get into;)

Dan

Vabowman 05-18-2008 08:07 AM
RE: Black Ice not pulling its weight
 
Thanks Dan, I mean the guy at the shop might look at me funny cuz I just bought the thing about 3 weeks ago, but it has at least 75 shots through it already.

bigbulls 05-19-2008 08:52 AM
RE: Black Ice not pulling its weight
 
50-100 shots is usually sufficient but I would rather shoot 200 - 300 beforeI did any twisting and tuning. That way you don't have to do it twice. Sometimes strings and or cables will still creep a little after 50 or so shots.

If you go out and shoot 24 arrows a day that's less than 2 weeks to get 300 shots.


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