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I have no problem with anybody shootin at an animal that' s walkin if their confident
in makin the shot.
but, that said, after missin a 6 point this past season that was walkin, I' ll always try and stop a walkin deer from now on. won' t make that mistake again.;)

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I might consider a shot on a slow moving deer, but I have yet to meet a deer that didn' t stop for a simple bleat.

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Are those 5 arrows in a decent group on a moving or standing target?

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If I cant stop them, then I wont take the shot. But most of the time they will stop if you just whistle or make a grunting noise with your mouth. I always draw my bow before I try to stop them.

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I would never take a shot I hadn' t practiced.

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I always try to stop deer I shoot at with a grunt or bleat. However this is not always practical, I recently read an article by Randy Ulmer where he explains how Caribou sometimes will not stop moving. Sometimes you will need to be able to make a shot on a moving animal. He does stress that this is only acceptable at close range on slow moving animals. One of the best shooters in the world limits himself to 25 yds on slow moving game. He explains that a shaft moving 280fps will permit an animal walking at 20 yds. to cover nearly a foot from release to impact. The article is in this months Bowhunter and its called Tough Shots.

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Taz, I had a HUGE 12 pointer walking quartering away at 15yds. I grunted, whistled, and even said " hey deer" and he payed no attention what so ever to me. I have had 3 deer not stop for me just in the bow season that just ended.
I didnt shoot. I had a HUGE 150class 12 pointer 15 yards away and I wasnt confident taking the shot. Ya know how frusterated I was after that. I stalked to 15yards on a 150 clas deer over the course of an hour and didnt get a shot cause he wouldnt stop. My buddy said " They dont read all them magazines, they dont kn ow they' re supposed to stop when you do that."
That sucked. I was thrilled just to be that close to such a magnificent animal but I was frusterated. I had one heck of an exciting year and that was one of the most exciting moments of all.
No, I wont shoot at a moving animal. Even if it is HUGE and only 15yds. away:(

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I always try to get them to stop.

SLOW walk less than 15 yds.......I will take it.....Broadside only

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Sucks when they are 15yds. trotting quartering away[:' (]
Can ya tell it still bugs me LOL

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My question is.... if you' ve tuned your bow to shoot " bullets" though paper while stationary, what will happen if you are swinging the bow along with the intended target? Will it not affect the arrow flight somewhat? My common sense says that even with a drop away rest, the arrow will still be affected by the motion of the bow and string line moving sideways while the arrow is being launched (OK, it' ll be very little sideways movement, but still..)

I can' t see any easy way of practicing this sort of shot, and even if you were able to practice the shot, who' s to say that a moving animal will present the same type of shot? What about the branches and other items that are out of your line of sight that you are concentrating on (but still moving towards along with the animal) that could deflect the arrow?

Too many variables too list in this kind of shot.

To each his own, but for me, I think I' ll try and stay with the shot that I practice - stationary targets, good sight lines, no movement of my body/bow.

Jim.

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I personally would never shoot at a moving animal. I have shot several moving targets at 3-D shoots and novelty shoots, some hits, some misses. Hang a 3-D target on a wire to practice moving shots but I still wouldn' t take one.

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No doubt about it, moving shots have a larger margin of error. Like you point out branches ect can get in your way, especially in low light when they are not as obvious. I have taken 2 deer when they were at a slow walk. I could not get either of them to stop, and was at low light, and didnt have time for them to hopefully come back and give a better opportunity. But let me say again is was a SLOW walk, and both were within 15 yds. I locked on the back edge of the shoulder blade and it landed just behind the shoulder and double lunged them on both occasions. I dont belive the sideways movement of the bow affected anything. This is only a guess, but I would say my broadhead only moved about a foot every 2 seconds to keep up with the deer 15yds away. If I had to swing the bow fast theres no way I would trust myself to take a shot. I dont care how big the animal.

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Here are a few numbers to think about,

I have computed how much a deer can actually move before an arrow gets to it. The numbers are based on a few things. First I used an average speed of an arrow at 280fps. That is a pretty fast average arrow flight. Please note that I used an average speed, because an arrow will decrease in speed after it is shot. Second the numbers are based on a deer at a steady walk of 4 mph and a slower walk of 2 mph. Again, it is assumed that the deer is walking an even pace. Here are the numbers:

20 yards, 4 mph, a deer can move 14.75 inches
20 yards, 2 mph, a deer can move 7.5 inches

30 yards, 4 mph, a deer can move 22.5 inches
30 yards, 2 mph, a deer can move 11.25 inches

Remember, these distances are computed from the time you release and the time the arrow hits the target. It doesn' t include your reaction time. which is generally at least .1 seconds.

Here is the computation if you are interested:

arrow traveling 280fps travels 60ft(20 yards) at .21 seconds (60ft/280fps)
arrow traveling 280fps travels 90ft(30 yards) at .32 seconds (90ft/280fps)

1 mile = 5280 feet
4mph=21120fph=352fpm=5.87fps
2mph=10560fph=176fpm=2.93fps

.21seconds times 5.87fps=1.23 feet per .21 seconds = 14.75 inches per .21 seconds (20 yard shot, deer walking at 4 mph)

.21 seconds times 2.93fps=.62 feet per .21 seconds = 7.5 inches per .21 seconds (20 yard shot, deer walking at 2 mph)

.32 seconds times 5.87fps = 1.878 feet per .32 seconds = 22.5 inches per .32 seconds (30 yard shot, deer walking at 4mph)

.32 seconds times 2.93fps = .9376 feet per .32 seconds = 11.25 inches per .32 seconds (30 yard shot, deer walking at 2 mph)

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I' ve shot slow moving deer at less than 15yds. Anything further or faster and they keep walking.

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The last time I shot a moving target was at a 3D shoot. It was a deer target at less than 15 yards and moving slowly (so I thought). I aimed at his front shoulder and stuck him right in the rear hip. :D Archery gear is not made for moving targets.

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I wouldn' t take the shot. I have had animals in the past move as I released but this was before my Mathews FX and Simms products.

Many years ago, and I mean many, shots on slow moving animals were deregur (accepted) The great Howard Hill once said that the best way to shoot at a moving deer was a " Sustained Lead" held just under its lower jaw and the usual 1/3 of the way up from the belly. I have done it successfully on moving targets . . . but they' re just for fun and curiosity, not on animals!

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I' ve shot walking deer inside 20 yards with no problem.

Shot one walking at 30 yards and hit high and 3" back from where I wanted to. Fortunately I hit an artery and he died within 20 yards. I will NEVER take that shot again. It was really, really stupid.

My limitations are inside 20 yards I' ll shoot them walking. Outside 20 and inside 30 I' ll bleat them to stop and shoot only if they stop. I will never shoot outside 35, too many variables not in my favor to get a clean kill. That boy better be standing still, not alert for a minute, and without any wind before I think of a 35 yarder.

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Shooting at a deer or any animal that is walking is just like shooting birds in flight.Except for all the shot.:)
What I mean by this is simply follow thru.If you are following the deer as it walks and are holding on the spot, then the arrow will hit exactly where you are aiming.

If you are trying to time the release then you will run into alot of problems.Don' t ever try this.

I shot a deer walking at 35 yards and hit exactly where I released the arrow.I know others that will do the same with the same results.I also know a guy that tried to compensate on a walking deer and aimed forward,in the shoulder,and hit it right in the shoulder.I also shot a bobcat that was waliking at a decent pace and busted him right thru the heart.

I much prefer to shoot a walking deer than try to stop him with some kind of noise.This will bring a deer to full alert in most cases and when you release the arrow,the deer bolts(jumps the string) and the result is a less than desirable shot.


A fast moving animal is a totally different circumstance and I say take your chances at trying to stop the animal.

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If I cannot stop the animal, I will not shoot the animal.

I have let big bucks and little does walk because of my ethics.

Jim

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I' ll put in my vote for not taking a shot at a moving animal. I have had a few instances years ago when I attempted this and usually it didn' t work out. I suppose if you practiced moving shot and are consistent on them then it would be OK. I for one do not practice moving shots. Like mentioned earlier usually a bleat or soft whistle will stop them in their tracks. I have found a few instances espescially when bucks are chasing does that you have to actually yell at them to get them to stop. When yelling loud to get there attention though you better be ready to shoot as soon as they put on the brakes. Below is a picture of a buck I shot in 97' (Sorry for the shotgun kill pic on the bow site) That I basically had to scream at to get him to stop because he was running after a doe that had just come through my area. I yelled HEY HEY HEY!! to get him to stop for a standing shot.

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I shoot walking animals all the time when they' re around 20 or less. I think they' re less likely to react to the sound of the bow than an animal standing still that' s not making any noise. 30 yards is another matter. I' ve shot a couple that way but they were moving at a steady slow rate. The lead is no problem really.

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I used to see quite a few people that would answer this with a " sure why not, I practice on moving targets at 3D shoots all the time!"

Well, yeah. but those moving targets don' t change direction like a deer can!

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Thundermug, So what about all that can go wrong with any shot on a live animal?

I said before that I would never take a shot that I don' t practice. I practice moving shots.

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I agree with T Fox

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I' ve shot a few walking, and I' ll take that shot every time inside of 20yds.
I' d prefer a slow, steady walk, to a deer standing still, he' sless likely to jump from the shot noise, and less likely to pick you out as you prepare for the shot, draw, etc. A 15 yard walking shot is very easy.

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I guess its safer to take a 15 yard shot at a walking deer than it would be to take a 40 yard shot at a deer standing still.

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Every situation has its own pros and cons. I personally if walking really, really slowly would shoot if it was 15 yards or less.
I don' t shoot past 30 anyways and what are the chances any deer will stay still as a statue for anything more than a few seconds? even when eating they are moving their heads and necks and there is never a guarantee they won' t move on the shot anyways. I passed on a dozen shots this year with the bow at less than 15 yards standing. I wouldn' t shoot anything walking fast.

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For me this deer, depending how far(within 15 yards) and how fast(very slowly) , I might take a shot. I practice ALOT, but not enough for a deer moving to quick. Every situation is different and I personally wouldn' t rule it out! practice, practice, practice. Also if YOU feel confident about a moving shot, have at it! Make it count!!!!![:-]

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