RE: Do you think you're out-smarting your whitetails??
 

If you are outsmarting whitetails - you need to raise you're standards!

RE: Do you think you're out-smarting your whitetails??
 

Thats why its not outsmarting them. Cause you are a freakin' human.. your brain is far larger than the deer.

It's if you think you are outsmarting them.. where you are putting them on the pedestal... like they are our equal.

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I'm gonna start IQ testing them next season with flash cards and some college level math.:D

Some guys already do this. The deer must score a minimum of 8 points for thier GPA and score at least 140 on their P&Y testing(similiar to the SAT).

RE: Do you think you're out-smarting your whitetails??
 

Outsmart them away.. then.

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I don't need to outsmart deer. I've already outsmarted them by waking up in the morning to my alarm, brushing my teeth with my electric toothbrush, getting in my car and driving to my spot, taking my bow and treestand into the woods with me, and getting in their living room without them knowing I'm there. Once I'm there I'm trying to beat their senses, and instincts.

Unless I see a deer rolling through the woods with an IPod I'm not worried about outsmarting them.

It's not like Wile. E. Coyote and the Sheepdog punching in every morning and going to work against each other.

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I agree 100% but I'm sure as long as some of you guys have been a round this site you see many who do place them on a pedestal. That's why I say it doesn't matter what you call it we hunt them and kill them. Some may call it outsmarting, duping, tricking, luring, etc. It doesn't really matter what we call it, as long as we recognize and steer away from their strengths and use their weaknesses against them they end up dead. I outsmart my dog all the time too, do I think I'm a genius? No of course not,I think my dogsa dumb animal(and I don't mean that in a mean way just truth).

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The chess analogy is not stupid, Duke and I take offense at you saying that something I said is stupid. It is my opinion and I'm not alone when using this analogy. What is stupid is you micro analyzing that analogy and saying that the deer would be playing against us. Most of us know that deer don't play. However, the analogy does bear likeness to chess in that we make a move, the deer make a move, we make another move the deer make another move. I've watched deer alter their travel routes to avoid a hunter's stand by less than 50 yards. Now it's the hunters move. BTW, the deer are still traveling at their normal times, I guess they weren't totally spooked into being nocturnal at that point. The end result of this "chess playing" is either the hunter gets lucky (wins) or the deer continues to out maneuver the hunter (wins). It is in this respect that I liken the hunting of deer to playing chess. It is my opinion which I am entitled to and I don't need you getting all high and mighty and calling my beliefs stupid.

I certainly hope that you can see the error in your comments.

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I will but don't get it confused I don't put them on a pedestal and I don't see it as some hugely intellectual accomplishment to do so. Stay away from or minimizethe couple of advantages they haveand the rest usually involves waiting for them to mess up or just come by you.

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I see. Than we are both on the same page.

I was just trying to help other dudes understand why they took that deer. And usually outsmarting them has nothing to do with it.

If they understand why they were able to take the deer.. then it should lead to a better hunter in the future. Thats all I'm saying.

Its Friday people... its been a long week. Iz outz.

RE: Do you think you're out-smarting your whitetails??
 

Stand in line then.

Really Greg.. I didn't mean to get under your skin... really.

But in chess.. you make a move and your opponent plays back to your move. And makes a move. I've never had a deer know what I was doing (except once) and then make a "move". Have you?

Usually.. and correct me if I'm wrong. We set up in a funnel or what not.. and play the waiting game. Because I'll tell you his move everytime is... RUN LIKE HAITIS.... after he knows your move.

I've heard the chess analogy 100 times.. and always thought it was putting to much emphasis on a deers ability to reason back at us. Which ain't so.

Thats the reasoning behind what I stated. No offense to ya Greg.. really. In fact I'll go back and re-word it.

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My buddy said the same thing once.I agreed at the time but now I would have to say that I don't have 2000 tv's or pictures hanging on my walls. I don't know if deer take inventory of the trees and see what is out of place. I think there is so much out your outline is just a fly on the wall. If you get busted it's because of smell or movement. Just my 2 cents.

RE: Do you think you're out-smarting your whitetails??
 

Sure thing, Pal.

Yes, several times, I explained one in my previous post.

You know as well as I do that a deer can find your set up after you are gone, without really seeing you. He may then alter his path by a few yards to avoid that set up without "RUNNING LIKE HAITUS". Your next "move" would be to a new set up and try again.

BTW, I do not set up IN funnels, I set up in the mouths or big ends of the funnels so as not to get busted and ruin the funnel.

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I wasn't taking offense at this at all..... but now I am, you're starting to piss me off.

Talk about lack of oxygen to the brain...... you should be in a comma by now.

I'll say it really slow..........

I sit in the ENDS of the funnel!!!

NOT the middle.

Did you understand it that time??!!:eek:

RE: Do you think you're out-smarting your whitetails??
 

Lot of hostility Greg... I'm sensing.

RE: Do you think you're out-smarting your whitetails??
 

Your just upset cause I wrote this.

If thats all... then I apologize.

RE: Do you think you're out-smarting your whitetails??
 

Yes, you are missing a lot. The piece is bigger than you think and the largest end of the funnel is on the South end.

When I say I hunt the ENDS of the funnel, what is there that you can't grasp about this!!??

For the last time......MY STAND IS NOT IN THE MIDDLE.

Did you really think that you knew where my stand(s) are better than me!!??

RE: Do you think you're out-smarting your whitetails??
 

dude

RE: Do you think you're out-smarting your whitetails??
 

How big a lot are we talking about, Greg.....your access?

RE: Do you think you're out-smarting your whitetails??
 

That's an awfully small woodlot, Greg. I just had a question.....

The other day you mentioned in another thread seeing 7 bucks in one sitting. I'm not sure if it was there or not.....but you posted up some charts and such from your logs on the anomoly of the occurrence.

How many days did you hunt for whitetails in '07?

I hunt small parcels, too.....and that just seems phenomenal.:)

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Duke, you can be as big of an ass as you want and it'll get you real far.

Here is an arial photo showing my stand site on the south end of the funnel just as I've been saying all along.

I don't know why you are being such a POS, I haven't lied about anything, here's the pic.

Red X is stand site.

RE: Do you think you're out-smarting your whitetails??
 

Only 5 days at this spot.

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That's a prime piece of hunting land, Greg. Congrats.

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Ya know.

I walked away from this thread. As it can only lead to bad things.

But you are right Greg. That X is not in the middle of that funnel;).. it is my bad.

Ya know.. its also like you believe I've never seen you post pics of this spot before. But in those older aerials.. you have like 3 or 4 stand sites. But I guess you just don't hunt from them anymore.

And I remember once you stating how another dude hunts with you at this location. But I guess that wasn't at this location either even though you said it was.

I'm not really sure what to believe here Greg. But I was cool enough to walk away from it.

RE: Do you think you're out-smarting your whitetails??
 

I hunted there 76 times in '06 though![&:]

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Gee Duke,
it was nice of you to erase you're threat of exposing my hunting area to an entire internet hunting board.


Thanks
What a swell guy! :eek:

RE: Do you think you're out-smarting your whitetails??
 

Hey Greg,.....do you share this spot?

If so.....what's the other guy killing, there? I'm curious as to what that place produces (other than what you have been taking).

Thanks.

RE: Do you think you're out-smarting your whitetails??
 

RE: Do you think you're out-smarting your whitetails??
 

Too late Duke, the damage is done.

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Its just hunting.

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I'll take the higher road.. once again when it comes to our childish behavior between each other Greg with an H. We both just don't see eye to eye sometimes.. and thats fine.

Consider my postings all gone.

But I still think of you in the lowest of regards.

RE: Do you think you're out-smarting your whitetails??
 

GMMAT
Not trying to be a jerk, but I've posted the answers to your question twice here before. It was when I was trying to show that success is not always about location.

Yes I share this with one other guy.

Him Me
1136 gross (not P&Y) 140 gross (P&Y)

2 132 (P&Y)133 (P&Y)

3 Antlerless (shed buck) 143 (P&Y)

4 Skunked126 (not P&Y)

5 115 (not P&Y) 170 (P&Y)

Not taking anything away from him but it's the little things that he does that limits his success.Mostly, he doesn't give the deer enough credit.

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Gotta admit...that place is one helluva producer, though. Ya'll just been hutning it 5 years (you cited only five comparisons). I was wondering what the biggest deer (plural) to come out of there have been.

I just asked you a question.

Sorry.

RE: Do you think you're out-smarting your whitetails??
 

Nice back peddling Duke.

RE: Do you think you're out-smarting your whitetails??
 

How do you find them after they drop over dead?

RE: Do you think you're out-smarting your whitetails??
 

didn't you and Greg have some romantic meeting in the snow a while back??? What happened to the love, I mean two guys that kill big bucks like you guys don't just cross paths by accident...:D

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What would you say he is doing to limit his success Greg? I know the property I hunt that I am the only one to take a buck out in the last 5 years and I take one to two a year in the 130-140 class. I have taken friends and family there and put them on deer but they missed shots or didn't recover the two that were shot.
I have taken 7 bucks off of the property and my main buddy that hunts it shot a 10 but never recovered it. There is a father and son team and they have killed nothing and the "Mojito Bandito" who hasn't taken a buck. I can attribute my success to regular hunting, understanding of wind direction, knowing what stands produce in morning and night. I honestly don't think I would have success if the deer knew all the other people were there besides me since we all hunt the same 4-5 acre pseudo funnel. We have had over a dozen different hunters on the property in a season but I still see deer regularly so the others aren't screwing up my hunt.
I am pretty sure I know why they are not seeing success while I and my tag alongs are, any guesses?

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It's always been about location...LOCATION.. LOCATION. Find the right woods and have no pressure or the right pressure and almost anyone with a brain looks like a magician. Put him somewhere else and it's a different story. I've had those spots and I've had bad spots. It humbles you quickly when you go from Heaven to Hell. I don't see it as a chess match either.... more like a Bar Room Brawl. There are no rules and anything goes and be flexible and expect the unexpected.

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I think that deer are given way too much credit most of the time. I know of a few deer that look in trees where I hunt and I believe they might have an association with a different smell in the woods and a previous encounter where they saw someone in a tree or got shot at etc. For humans smell is powerful and a whiff of perfume can take you back 20 years to your Prom Date and the fun that happened after Prom, I see this as a possibility with deer as well.
Deer lead a simple life, they are slaves to their stomach and need to eat as much as they can before the weather turns and the rut starts since they loose so much bodyweight during the rut. A deer will feed, walk, feed, walk, bed, walk, feed, walk, bed, walk, feed, walk, feed, walk. They are on a continuing pattern of eating, bedding, and walking the way I see it. If you figure out the times, where they eat, what they eat, and how they get to their areas of food and relaxation then you are good.
I use the same approach to deer hunting that I did when I was a repo man, Figure out where the sucker sleeps, eats, cruises chicks, etc and know the times they are there and bingo, rollin in the 5.0 to the repo yard.

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I guess some deer are smarter than others, just like humans are, but one thing is for sure, we are supposed to be smarter, and I think we are, but we may not be as educated as we should be about deer behavior and that's why they often give us the slip. I learned a long time ago that the ability to reason is what seperates us and other animals, but sometimes this forum has me wondering!! :DMyself included in that I might add!!!