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I was at the local pro shot today getting a few things, "they sell about every bow." Hoyt, Mathews, Bowtech, PSE,Martin and others. The shop manager and another employee were unpackagingtwo Bowtechs, 101 and 82 I believe. They mentioned that they were thiers and that they had sent them back to the factory because they had several problems with them, and didn't want to have to deal with those kinds of problems while out hunting. Said they were going to sell the ones the factory had returned to them. This is a very big shop that sells a pile of bows every year.
They had also recieved thier new bows to take their place, both Mathews DXT. I just bought a DXT this week so that made me feel a little better about my choice of bows. I'm replacing my SB XT with the DXT, and after shooting the new setupDXT I'm not sure if I made the right decision. The only difference is that I went from a ripcord to a QAD rest "cheaper QAD" This new rest seems to really make some noise at the release, anyone else noticed this? My XT was a great shooting very forgiving bow.

I'm not out to bash bowtech either, they were great looking bows, I really liked that soft coating they have on them. EVERY bow should have that stuff on them!

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I have a QAD, makes hardly any noise.

As for your bowtech comment, I really think it's more about people not understanding how the Binary cam system works than anything. I have been doing some reading and one MUST have the cams in sync. The only way to do this is with a drawing board. I am building one this weekend for my binary bow that is coming.

It may be a GTO or a 101st;)

As for your choice of bows, if you're happy that is all that matters.

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So they sent the bad Bowtechs back.....and just happened to have to new Mathews right there to take their place???

Great timing!;)

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Any, and every manufacturer has lemons. If these guys sell so many bows then why didnt all their customers start bringin back defective bows? Something smells fishy here, im not buying it, by the way i dont own a Bowtech so i have no dog in this fight......

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Think I'll keep my bowtech commander,oh and my old mathews as a backup.Both are good bows,sounds like someone trying to start a little debate.

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Bowtech should have just stopped when they made the Alliegence.... how can you improve on perfection?

I wonder what issues they have been having? I've heard of limb problems on BTs before, but not really any more so than much other brands....

However, replacing any bowtech with a Mathews is sort of like replacing a Chevy Tahoe with a Kia Sorrento......


*EDIT to boost the economy in the Skywalker State*

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Swamp unemployment is about to hit 7% in MI, would it kill you to mention a Chevy in your post[8D]

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Noted and amended. :D

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Wow, yeah, that was necessary.

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Sure does! And me either!

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They mentioned tuning, limb and cam wearing outserving problems. And yes the DXTs came on the same day, they were custom with black limbs. Looked like Christmas for them!
Ijoked about the new Bowtechs probably coming out with big yellow SAVAGE ARMS stickers on the limbs! Anyways are the pricey QAD rest quieter than the $50 model?

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Man that shop must really know what they are doing with bows, I have zero problem with my 82nd, no cam lean, pefectly tuned. What's your shop doing wrong? Think I'd find a new shop to work on my bows if I were you, don't seem like this shop knows thier stuff. What happens if you have an issue with the DXT, they gonna talk you into another bow?

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Whats up now.. Techies...!!??[8D]

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Actually the serving separation issue near the cams is fairly common. But is nothing I ever got upset over. Change out the string and get shooting.

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I'm pretty sure they know what they are doing, the one guy is one of the top shooters in the region. He thought he's give the new Bowtech a chance, heck a couple months ago when I went in there they were all pumped to get thier new Bowtech bows and were giving me heck for still shooting my old technology Switchback XT. Seemed like the whole shop had jumped on the BowTech band wagon, and I was interested in the new ones myself!
It was just funny today to see things come full circle I thought!:)

"What happens if you have an issue with the DXT, they gonna talk you into another bow?"
That won't be happening, I do all my own work right here at home.:) I can tell you one thing, I can see already that this little DXT is going to need a little more attention to detail than the XT ever did. Seems to be a picky little bugger so far tonight!

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My scores with the 82nd! :D

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That aint no chit either!

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Now I love messing with all the bowtech fans on this site.... don't get me wrong.... but I'll always give credit where its due (ie... the Alliegence.. and I might even learn how to spell it right someday)...

My gripe with that is if these cats are bowtech dealers, and work on bowtech bows.... how can they have issues with tuning. Next to Parker, I think that bowtech has one of the best service helplines in the industry. Hell my shop now doesn't even sell bowtech proper, yet when a customer brings one in I can call Oregon and get any answer on any question at all, and there is no showboat or holier than thou attitude at all. Basically, if you can't tune a bowtech... I don't know how in the heck you'll tune anything short of an electric piano. The limb issues I'll give them... but if they had limb issues that quick, then they no doubt must of expereinced many issues before, being bowtech dealers and all... so why bother with them if they have limb issues.... what kind of shop sells products they don't believe in?

When it comes to cams wearing out servings... next to Fred Bear there is one glaring offender..... and its Mathews.

As to the shop guy being one of the top shooters... it just goes back to my old NASCAR analogy.... Tony Stewart can drive the hell out of racecar.... but that doesn't really mean I want him to rebuild my transmission.... catch my drift? ;)

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Awww.. it was all in good fun. I really have nothing against Bowtech...

Without Bowtech there would be no night to my day, no winter for my spring. So thank you Bowtech for giving me my nights and my winters.. so that I may enjoy my days and my springs. :D

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Yeah, um like Swampcollie, I really have to question that. ;) Is my 82nd just a special one, NO I don't think so, she sure is an amazing shooter though. :)

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I think there are possible more issues noted with the Bowtech than maybe Hoyts or Bear or Browning, or whatever, but there are a LOT of Bowtech bow's sold, and a LOT of happy Bowtech customers. Now I've heard a few bad stories (Legit, not Internet tales) about just about every manufacturer. Hoyt, Bowtech, Matthews, Bear, PSE, etc, my local shop ownere DOES say he has more guys have issues with BT's, but he also SELLS a lot of BT's. Percentage-wise, it may be about the same. And some of the issues ARE user error. After looking at some picture of cam leans on a few BT's, I do wonder it the Guardian/Commander style risers decreased that any because they are supported in the middle of the limbs. Because it appears to me in some of the pic's I saw that the limbs aren't flexing quite evenly. I wonder if you were using a solid limb if that cam lean would ever even exist??? BT guys, any thoughts or explanations??? Not trying to start a fight by any means, because I've seriously looked at a couple of Allegiances over the last 6 months, I just haven't brought myself to part with the $500-600 yet.

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Branching off that OH.... I think I may have a theory on why we see/hear about so many bowtech issues.

First, Bowtech has done a flat out fantasic job of advertising. There are more and more people getting into bowhunting nowadays... so when you have a new archer.. one of the things they are often interested in is speed and what is hot today.... and there is no arguement from me that in todays market that is bowtech.

Now, with so many bows being sold, and likely to a heck of a lot of new/neophyte archers... I suspect as you pointed out OH that a fair number of those ARE user related issues... just stemming from lack of knowledge or experience. I don't think its that there is an issue with bowtech at all.... infact I think that any issues that maybe rising from the masses are attributed solely to bowtechs overwhelming popularity and success (as always there are exceptions... but that is so with everything and every company/product). Lets face it, if a new archer... who is often young and internet savvy has a question or concern about his investment....wouldn't you suspect he would find his way to the internet? Makes sense to me....

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Please PM or e-mail me the name of said dealer so I can look into this. [email protected]

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I always find these type of comments/posts strange. There is more than likely an underlying agenda with the dealer making the comments.Not sure how many BowTechs I've owned and had no problems. Guess I'm just lucky.;)

One of the biggest dealers in my area was a BowTech, Hoyt, & Mathews dealers. They dropped Mathews because of sliding salesand as far as problems, all 3 were pretty much the same. Isolatedthings here and there.Anything manufactured will have the occasional problem. Great customer service takes care of it ASAP.

Lots of Good Bows out there, but in my eyes any dealer that runs another Brand down, personally I would never trust.

Pat has asked for the dealers name. Send it to him in a PM and allow him to check this out;)

Dan

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Pat I'll bet ya lunch you don't hear from him.

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Tee hee..I agree..... Go back through his posts never a positive thing to say about Bowtech. Ok yeah he'll throw a bone..Nice finish but can't imagine pulling that draw cycle time and time again... etc etc..

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I might be wrong but the sad reality is some shops have either forgotten how or never did know how to tune anything but a one cam bow! Truth is dual cams, binary cams, etc. are not hard to tune. The string materials we are so lucky to have today make it soooo much better to keep them in tune too.

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One of the dealers in town used to carry Bowtech......and doesn't, anymore. When I'm in there (pretty fair trad shop)......I've heard them comment that they stopped selling them because they couldn't give 'em away.

Rumor has it....Bowtech felt the same way (couldn't give 'em away). It's said they wouldn't pay their bills.;)

So.....I believe about 2%of what I hear shops say negatively about other brands.

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I agree with these two statements. After dealing with many different shops I have learned that they all have their own agendas. If you really want good information about bows, the Internet is the place to find it. If there were a real tuning and serving separation issue with any top manufacturer's bow you would hear about it time and again on here, AT, Bowsite, and any of the other forums. If you don't hear it, it's likely an isolated incident, user error, or someone's got a bee in their bonnet over something.

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I think they were being sent back to be relabed asa "ROSS"[:-]

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I know of3 different bows that have problems2 Matthews switchback I have 2 buddys that both have a 27 draw 06 switchback both of them on the cable on the cam about on inch above wears through the serving about every 6 months no big deal just have it reserved every few months. Matthews customer service blows it off. Now my 07 guardian 26inch draw has issues on the upper cam rubs the cable well the local dealer turned the cam filed and smooth polished the cam down so it would not hit the cable. Fixed and doesnt do it anymore.

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Doesn't seem like a hard thing to prove if anyone cares to.

Just out of curiosity what percentage of bowtecs are retunred for whatever reason and how does that compare with other companies? Brag about your quality control if it's worth braging about.:D

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Even good shops are brand loyal. I was talking about a certain Brand with my shop owner. (Hoyt shop). I always liked the bow we were discussing. Of course he had to try and tune 1, one time and found the riser was bent. Hehad problems dealing with the maker and thus they are all now "junk" in his eyes.

He is a stand-up guy and helpful as all get-out but bias and who pays the bills creeps into his (and most) judgements.

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Is this a Bowtech site???

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I SHOOT ELITE! ALL BRANDS ARE ON THIS SITE, JUST MORE BT OVERALL I WOULD GUESS. MANY MATHPOO'S ON HERE AS WELL...J/K NO HATE MAIL PLEASE:D

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Yes and no..there is a slight bias. Is that because Bowtech intended that, or simply that a lot of people like the bows and spread the word?

We have a lot of Corporate Advisory Staff Members here, probably more here than else-where. But us that have been here a while remeber when most were just like everyone else. They were in a sense "rewarded" for thier knowledge, shooting skills, hunting success's, business sense..or some other endearring quality.

I don't think you'll feel the bias..I'venever reallyseen them as a whole bash another bow or peice of equipment. Occassionally a select few are over zealous. But thats the exception, rather than the rule.

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I know I just said that to stir the crap all the hype and ppl. getting so upset about someone saying somthing about them I drove an hour and a half to try them nice bows yes but no better or worse than any hoyt mathews or pse bows I have shot I am not new to archery I been making my own arrows and strings since boy scouts 30 years ago.The way ppl. defend here brand of bow you think they have profit sharing in the company well I guess it is no different than mopar gm or ford

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I don't think your far from the truth.:D

As for myself , if a company gives me more than I paid for I'll stick up for them, they've earned it, otherwise forget it. I figure others are the same so if they go on and on, it's one or the other. More often than not I think it's the other you mentioned.:D

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Txjourneyman
You owe Bowtech shooter lunch!:)