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GMMAT 04-07-2008 07:13 AM

Simple question....Do you hunt "Baited" animals?
 
No discussion required on the legality/morality of the practice.

Is it legal in your state to do it.......and do you?

Yes. It's legal in my state.

No. I don't do it.

mobow 04-07-2008 07:18 AM

RE: Simple question....Do you hunt "Baited" animals?
 
Missouri would lock me up and throw away the key.

OHbowhntr 04-07-2008 07:20 AM

RE: Simple question....Do you hunt "Baited" animals?
 
Yes. It's legal in my state.

No. I don't do it.

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GMMAT 04-07-2008 07:24 AM

RE: Simple question....Do you hunt "Baited" animals?
 
Does that outlook fly in the face of the "fair chase" argument? Would you enter a buck into P&Y with that outlook?

racewayking 04-07-2008 07:25 AM

RE: Simple question....Do you hunt "Baited" animals?
 
Illegal in Illinois and don't do it. Have hunted Wisconsin where it is legal but didn't like the concept of baiting.
Here in Illinois I heard the Dekalb County Warden busted a guy for eating an apple and throwing it on the ground while hunting and called it baiting. Now I'm afraid to eat in my stand, hahaha.

GR8atta2d 04-07-2008 07:28 AM

RE: Simple question....Do you hunt "Baited" animals?
 
I have,
I've hunted in Texas with an outfitter. There were active feeders that we watched from a distance (this was a rifle hunt, one feeder was 200 yards away and one was like 150 yards away from the stand I hunted from I killed a buck the second sit). He was not at either feeder, but the doesn't mean that he wasn't intending on going there!

I also have a desire to hunt Bear in Canada. That would most likely 98%be a baited hunt.


How many of us have made mineral sites for our game-cam pre-season?? You think those minerals just vanish by opening day?

This question begs of, elite-ism and those that answer No, should think very carefully about food plots and other actions that could be baiting in the eyes of a true purest.


James Vee 04-07-2008 07:31 AM

RE: Simple question....Do you hunt "Baited" animals?
 
Yes, and yes. :D

TEmbry 04-07-2008 07:33 AM

RE: Simple question....Do you hunt "Baited" animals?
 
I hunt ag fields, usually corn and beans, as well as acorn trees and water sources, so yes I do hunt baited animals.

While I dont throw out a corn pile anymore, I dont get confused in thinking I am not hunting baited animals.

This September Ill be hunting pronghorn from a blind over waterholes, Baited.
In 2 or 3 falls Ill be hunting black bear from a blind or treestand over a bait site, Baited.


GMMAT 04-07-2008 07:34 AM

RE: Simple question....Do you hunt "Baited" animals?
 

This question begs of, elite-ism and those that answer No, should think very carefully about food plots and other actions that could be baiting in the eyes of a true purest.
I don't entirely disagree. The question doesn't beg of it.....how one answers, does.

I simply wonder how we come to terms with what we consider "baiting". Is there a line in the sand that can't be crossed......if one is to say he doesn't hunt "baited" animals?

twildasin 04-07-2008 07:39 AM

RE: Simple question....Do you hunt "Baited" animals?
 
Not legal in Pa!
Yes I do it!:DI hunt right off a corn feild in a natural funnel so to me thats no different than hunting a pile of corn in the woods! And I have used doe pee also so thats baiting I think although are law says its not!:DSo no I dont break the law but I see no difference!

GR8atta2d 04-07-2008 07:41 AM

RE: Simple question....Do you hunt "Baited" animals?
 

ORIGINAL: GMMAT


This question begs of, elite-ism and those that answer No, should think very carefully about food plots and other actions that could be baiting in the eyes of a true purest.
I don't entirely disagree. The question doesn't beg of it.....how one answers, does.

I simply wonder how we come to terms with what we consider "baiting". Is there a line in the sand that can't be crossed......if one is to say he doesn't hunt "baited" animals?
Baiting to me..is the intentional placing of a food or suppliment (be it corn pile, minerals, food plot..etc.) That would not otherwise, be there. For the purpose of luring game to an intended spot and the person doing this, is intending to hunt near enough to this area to reap benefits from this practice!

I do not include agricultural crops that are planted as a form of income. Nor do I count foods such as mast crops or natural grasses or natural mineral licks, that occur wildly.

kwilson16 04-07-2008 07:42 AM

RE: Simple question....Do you hunt "Baited" animals?
 
Yes x2.

popeandyoungchaser 04-07-2008 07:45 AM

RE: Simple question....Do you hunt "Baited" animals?
 
Yes it is legal in Ohio. I do most of my baiting in the month of January when the deer are hard to find and hunt. I just take does off of the bait, I don't think i could enter a buck in P&Y if I took him off a bait pile.

TexasBowHunter 04-07-2008 07:45 AM

RE: Simple question....Do you hunt "Baited" animals?
 
Yes it is legal and yes I do it!!!!!!!!

peakrut 04-07-2008 07:47 AM

RE: Simple question....Do you hunt "Baited" animals?
 
Yes it is legal in parts of Wisconsin and No I do not as defined by our current laws.


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twildasin 04-07-2008 07:48 AM

RE: Simple question....Do you hunt "Baited" animals?
 

ORIGINAL: GR8atta2d


ORIGINAL: GMMAT


This question begs of, elite-ism and those that answer No, should think very carefully about food plots and other actions that could be baiting in the eyes of a true purest.
I don't entirely disagree. The question doesn't beg of it.....how one answers, does.

I simply wonder how we come to terms with what we consider "baiting". Is there a line in the sand that can't be crossed......if one is to say he doesn't hunt "baited" animals?
Baiting to me..is the intentional placing of a food or suppliment (be it corn pile, minerals, food plot..etc.) That would not otherwise, be there. For the purpose of luring game to an intended spot and the person doing this, is intending to hunt near enough to this area to reap benefits from this practice!

I do not include agricultural crops that are planted as a form of income. Nor do I count foods such as mast crops or natural grasses or natural mineral licks, that occur wildly.
So your saying the guys that plant plots are baiting??

bawanajim 04-07-2008 07:49 AM

RE: Simple question....Do you hunt "Baited" animals?
 
I would rather floss my neighbors cats teeth, than hunt over bait. ;)

GR8atta2d 04-07-2008 07:50 AM

RE: Simple question....Do you hunt "Baited" animals?
 

So your saying the guys that plant plots are baiting??
Yes, thats what I'm saying. Sorry if this view offends you.

bawanajim 04-07-2008 07:51 AM

RE: Simple question....Do you hunt "Baited" animals?
 

ORIGINAL: GR8atta2d


So your saying the guys that plant plots are baiting??
Yes, thats what I'm saying. Sorry if this view offends you.
I now have to change my response, to yes.[:o] ;)

peakrut 04-07-2008 07:53 AM

RE: Simple question....Do you hunt "Baited" animals?
 
It should only be what is defind by your current state laws as baiting their for ozzy I believe your ok.


:Dozzy

GMMAT 04-07-2008 07:53 AM

RE: Simple question....Do you hunt "Baited" animals?
 

I do not include agricultural crops that are planted as a form of income.
I have a hard time swallowing this one.......given the other definitions. Food plots NOR ag crops are indigenous. Ifail tosee the difference.

twildasin 04-07-2008 07:53 AM

RE: Simple question....Do you hunt "Baited" animals?
 

ORIGINAL: GR8atta2d


So your saying the guys that plant plots are baiting??
Yes, thats what I'm saying. Sorry if this view offends you.
No offense I was just asking I kind of see your point and thats what I was saying about doe pee thats baiting too cause its not natural!

GR8atta2d 04-07-2008 07:59 AM

RE: Simple question....Do you hunt "Baited" animals?
 

ORIGINAL: GMMAT


I do not include agricultural crops that are planted as a form of income.
I have a hard time swallowing this one.......given the other definitions. Food plots NOR ag crops are indigenous. Ifail tosee the difference.
Really?? Are you honestly not going to hunt a farm in the midwest because the farmer chooses to make a living and raise a family off "his land"?

This is not planted for you! It's planted for him. And if you think a 100 acre cornfield (which is probably pretty small) helps the hunter..lol..you've never hunted in an area like it. Deer can go through an entire season and not move from it in daytime hours.

peakrut 04-07-2008 08:08 AM

RE: Simple question....Do you hunt "Baited" animals?
 
I have to agree with Bob on this one due to corn fields everywhere here in my small part of the midwest. Now in Northern Wi where I hunt they put up 1 corn field near the public and leave it up all fall with no other corn fields for miles around, now this is baiting IMO. (Corn fields are not considered baiting under current law)
Their are times when farmers harvest all their corn down here and a few leave it up until the next planting season then this toME has to be for baiting but I can not prove this theory.
With that being said to each his own and good luck this coming season. 5 months to go for me!

Rob/PA Bowyer 04-07-2008 08:11 AM

RE: Simple question....Do you hunt "Baited" animals?
 
In the eyes of the laws of my state, No and No.

GMMAT 04-07-2008 08:15 AM

RE: Simple question....Do you hunt "Baited" animals?
 

Really?? Are you honestly not going to hunt a farm in the midwest because the farmer chooses to make a living and raise a family off "his land"?

This is not planted for you! It's planted for him. And if you think a 100 acre cornfield (which is probably pretty small) helps the hunter..lol..you've never hunted in an area like it. Deer can go through an entire season and not move from it in daytime hours.
That's a huge leap, Bob. I didn't say I wouldn't hunt it (don't know where that came from????). I said it isn't an indigenous plant. Nor is a food plot (typically) indigenous. Therest of that question RE: the farmer is inflammatory.....lol. I grew up on a farm...and am all about the farmer.His abilityto "make a living and raise a family off his land" has nothing to do with the subject matter.;)

Given your analogy ("Its not planted for you....it's planted for him").....woudl it be"OK" to hunt over a corn pile someone else put out?

I ALSO never said anything about ANY size corn field helping a hunter. The most anticipated day around here......besides opening day.....is when the farmers cut the bedding ar......err....I mean corn.;)

GR8atta2d 04-07-2008 08:22 AM

RE: Simple question....Do you hunt "Baited" animals?
 
Ok well you lost me in your mumbo jumbo...but you compared, both a food plot and a farmers cornfield to bait.

Here:

I have a hard time swallowing this one.......given the other definitions. Food plots NOR ag crops are indigenous. Ifail tosee the difference.
And you cannot see a difference in the two?? I guess I have no argument for that..You're wrong, I'm right! Dunno how else to phrase it!

hatchet jack 04-07-2008 08:22 AM

RE: Simple question....Do you hunt "Baited" animals?
 
You can bait in PA. But! only in the special Reg area of 5d,5c and I think the area near Pittsburgh, not sure on that though. I hunt in 5d and 5c and I don't bait.

Hatchet Jack

GMMAT 04-07-2008 08:25 AM

RE: Simple question....Do you hunt "Baited" animals?
 

And you cannot see a difference in the two??
What's the difference in a 10 acrebrassica plotand a 10 acre soy bean field, Bob?

brucelanthier 04-07-2008 08:28 AM

RE: Simple question....Do you hunt "Baited" animals?
 
I think what GR8atta2d is saying is that ag fields are not planted for the benefit of the deer but planted as a cash crop for the farmer. If something is planted for the benefit of the deer then it can be construed as baiting while, if planted for other reasons, then it would not be considered baiting.

I, for one, don't necessarily see it as whether it is indigenous or not, but look to the reason for the planting of the crop/food source. IMO, if a food source was planted by a human for the purpose of feeding/luring deer then it is bait. If the food source exists for other reasons then it is not bait.

GR8atta2d 04-07-2008 08:29 AM

RE: Simple question....Do you hunt "Baited" animals?
 
Why did I plant the soy?? Is it a means of income, or only to attract deer?? I'm not talking hidden agendas here, where..yes I "can" sell the soy, and justify my plot. Is it a means of needed income?


Edit: Thanks Bruce..I thought I said that..but somehow it got lost.


Schultzy 04-07-2008 08:29 AM

RE: Simple question....Do you hunt "Baited" animals?
 
Baiting for deer is not legal in Minnesota, I wouldn't do it if it was legal. Baiting for bear is legal and yes I do it.

Charlie P 04-07-2008 08:34 AM

RE: Simple question....Do you hunt "Baited" animals?
 
No. It's illegal wouldn't do it if it was.

GMMAT 04-07-2008 08:34 AM

RE: Simple question....Do you hunt "Baited" animals?
 
I wouldn't have a problem with you guys assessment.....if the farmer were the only one hunting his ag crops.

Why are the other hunters there?;) Do THEY view the ag crops as "bait"? Are those ag crops acting as "bait" for the hunter? Yes or no?

GR8atta2d 04-07-2008 08:44 AM

RE: Simple question....Do you hunt "Baited" animals?
 
Well at last now I see what you're driving at. Jeff who are you going to ask for permission. 100 guys that have 2 acre lots or the guy who has the most land in one shot? Who owns the biggest parcels of hunt-able land? In these parts it's farmers.



GMMAT 04-07-2008 08:51 AM

RE: Simple question....Do you hunt "Baited" animals?
 
I'm going to ask the guy who has the BEST land I think I can gain access to.....which holds or attracts the best animals. I'm also gonna call a spade a spade.

James Vee 04-07-2008 08:53 AM

RE: Simple question....Do you hunt "Baited" animals?
 
Schultzy,

why is it that you bait for bear but would not bait for deer? Assuming that it were legal.

brucelanthier 04-07-2008 08:53 AM

RE: Simple question....Do you hunt "Baited" animals?
 
Ag crops may "act" as bait but that is not their purpose. The same with the oak stand. It may act as bait but that is not its purpose. And the purpose of the food source is what defines it, IMO.



valor10 04-07-2008 08:54 AM

RE: Simple question....Do you hunt "Baited" animals?
 
Of coarse ag crops act as an attractant to deer. Just like acorns do. Isn't hunting food sources part of huntimg? Guys planting food plots are helping the health of the herds in their area. It's not a destructive practice, it's a positve. I can't understand how hunting a peanut field planted for profit, or a peanut field planted for deer attraction only, is any different. Same with fruit trees. You're still hunting the deer ATTRACTED to the peanuts or fruit. If I plant whiteoak trees, I'm baiting?


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