So I'm getting a new bow...
 

I'll soon add a Katera to the collection.

I've tried the bowtech thing and I'm at my wits end, I've never wanted to throw a bow so badly in my life. If the 82nd makes it through the weekend without being run over by a dozer... it'll be a miracle. Maybe I've got the lemon, but this thing has been the most troublesome bow I've ever handled. My 1994 Bear Whitetail with wheels and steel cablestuned better than this bow. All the specs are PERFECT... ATA, brace height, string length, cable length, tiller is perfect, draw stops are exact... the bow will not tune. Period. It won't bare shaft, it won't broadhead tune, and it still feels like I have about 20% let-off.

I've done everything, added twists to the strings and cables, taken twists out... you name it. I took everything off of the bow today and completely started over and achieved the same results. I have a buddy that sets up about30 bows a year, and we spent 4 hours working on it today... he can't figure it outeither.

I tuned a 101st today the same way that I've tuneddozens of bows, it took all of 10 minutes. It stacks BH's, bare shafts and fieldpoints. For some reason, my bow will not do this.

Anybody have any clue?Scott, Matt, Rob...If any of you guys think you can figure it out, I'll keep it and ship it to you. But as for medoing ANYTHING else to this bow, I'm done. It's a shame because I liked the bow, I like my buddies'82nds and 101st, but this particular bow isn't"cutting the mustard".

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How about trying the stiffest arrow you could find.That bow shoots HARD and needs an extremely stiff shaft.

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If spine isn't the issue,when I usually have a tuning issue,the rest is an area I pay close attention too if all else fails to yield results.

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Not that I know much, but I was thinking the same thing in regards to the spine as I've heard a couple other guys needing to up their spine to get better tunability. The CAMS are HARSH, you should've expected a pretty harsh draw with a short valley with that bow, that's where all that speed is coming from. Unfortunately, you're not the first guy I know who's been disappointed with this bow, on line or in person, I know a few both places that just weren't as happy with it as they were hoping. Granted the one knucklehead went from shooting a60# matthews to trying to shoot a 70# 82nd, so either way he was probably not prepared for the BIG CHANGE in draw, speed, and forgiveness. If it's not the shooter or the tune, you might still be able to re-coup something by putting in out F/T for a Katera on AT.com classifieds or someplace. I know there ARE guys looking for them, wanting to change things up a bit. You might find the right one and be good to go on a trade for what you're looking for.

Good Luck, either way!!!

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Honestly I don't understand the issue unless you indeed did get a lemon. Ya'll have seen the way mine shoots, it's flawless with the CXLSS's I'm shooting and before that, ACC's.

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Did you ever measure peak weight and holding weight like we spoke about?

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What Arrow are you shooting? Tip, length etc?

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Bummer Dubbya, sounds like an arrow problem to me also, alot of KE from thembowsbut Im sure you tried that by now.
I got a shooters bow (freebee) some years ago that had mismatched MODs and limbs, Like to drove me nuts. It went back.
Im sure Rob, Matt or one of the otherscould get it straightened out, Robs busting 57X 300s with his, which is awesome for a short ATA, reflexed riser, low BH bow.
Good luck with whichever one you end up with.

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Well if it is an arrow problem that doesn't say much for the guy who sets bows up or the shooter. I'll give ya the benifit of doubt and say it's a mechanical problem maybe a bent axel.

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Should've bought a High Country. :eek:

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pm sent

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Got any advice that won't just make things worse? :eek:

Dubbya, what aredraw weight, arrow setup, rest, etc. Send me the bow. I'll see what I can do with it. At the very least, someone here should be able to get this straightened out. Whatever the solution may be.

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Alot of people out there trying to tune these bows off of the arrow chart specs when they need to go to a stiffer spine. It's a common mistake, I know to check it, you might know to check it, but people are doing it just the same on a daily basis.

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Brother......maybe that bow just doesn't fit you. I don't mean DL and weight, that kind of stuff......Maybe that bow just isn't a good match for you, ya know what I mean?? We all shoot some bows better than others, and maybe this one just isn't "you're bow"......

I'm certainly a Hoyt fan, but I've shot the bowtech's, friends of mine obviously own bowtechs.....and they sell a ton of them, so......either you did indeed get a lemon, or it just isn't the right bow for you.

If you like your Vectrix, dude....you will absolutely LOVE the Katera. I will admit the 6" brace scared me a little, so I went w/ the VectrixPlus.....but I've shot the Katera, and it's simply amazing.

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Either you got a lemon or you just can't shoot it. I picked up an 82nd when they first came out and had it stacking arrows and busting nocks in under 10 shots.

Sorry you're having trouble.

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Dustin.

You planning on coming to DFW next weekend if you are drop in and I will see what I can do.

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It should show up as a spine issue shouldn't it? Even if it didn't I wouldn't be ready to toss a bow without trying different arrows/spine. The guy who sets bows up should be aware of spine issues.

I just don't want to talk down to the guy. He claims to know what he's doing, so be it.

This conversation is a good heads up for those that want to shoot the bow. Thanks for the info.:D

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that sucks

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Hold on I'll send you a tuning fork, just slap some limbs on it and a string;)

Dubbya I got my ROSS to tune with Carbon Express Maxima Hunter arrow. With my new FMJ, no dice. They are a little weak. Have you tried a different arrow?

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Dubbya I work on bows for a living and I haven't seen too terribly many that won't tune. There is always an underlying cause. 90% of the time the issue is either in the arrow or the shooter. 10% you may have a structural issue such as a bent axle or limb twist or something else not painstakingly obvious, but certainly fatal to performance.

My advice is to honestly go with another bow... here is why.... so much of archery is confidence not just in yourself but in your equipment. It sounds to me like you are having big time regret/issues/problems with your bow, and that itself is enough to make performance suffer.

I'd CALL Bowtech (not pro-staffers but the actual company in Oregon who designs and makes the things) and bounce ideas around with them. They may well have seen something like this before, or heck maybe they will want to look at it and will give you an RA so they can give it a once over (for the price they had better). The first Marquis that came through our shop this year was a lemon... and no matter what company you are dealing with... you will see a Lemon from time to time... I've even seen it with Leupold scopes.... give them a ring and see what they will do for you.

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What type of rest are you shooting - I had a QAD on the 101st I had and similar problem the letoff was about 40% - the rope was tied to high on the cable - may be some of your issue

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Check this out, even though this is Elite, the cams are similar. Yes that is Kevin in the video, he's got Hunsucker worthy guns:D

http://www.youtube.com/v/5GJ6fVV3RfM&hl=en

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20% let-off sound like you have something wrong mechanically, see if you can send it back it should be under warranty.

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Alright boys, sorry for the late response, I was chasing turkeys all day.

As for the arrow, I'm shooting an Axis 340 with a 100gr. point at 28" so there is absolutely no way it's an arrow spine issue. My buddies 82nd is shooting the same draw length, the same arrow, point... everything and it shoots perfect. I assure you, it's not an arrow issue, buckeye (as well as a couple other people) and I have talked about that. We tried different arrows, and they grouped out of my friends bow, but not mine.

Mobow, you may be right... but if that's the case, I'm not sure why I'm stacking arrows with my buddies bow that is identical to mine. It just doesn't make sense.

Swamp, I'll call Bowtech in the morning and see what happens.

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I figured you had already tried the arrow thing, Good luck with it.

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I'm assuming you have Scott taking care of you but Dustin, I'll be more than happy to play with it if you want to put it in my hands.

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Whew, for a minute, I thought I was on the WRONG forum!!!! :D

Dubbya,
I'd think if you can shoot your buddy's bow perfect, it's probably something with the bow itself. Is this the same bow you had limbs replaced on, if I remember correctly??? If so, maybe there's something in the riser or cams themselves that's a problem???