Why a Heavy Setup(picture a little bloodie)
04-04-2008, 09:37 PM
#31
Giant Nontypical
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RE: Why a Heavy Setup(picture a little bloodie)
Question for ya, Germ... did you actually scrutinize what part of the shoulder your broadhead went through upon field dressing it? I'm talking about looking at the actual bones after the meat was removed?
The reason I ask is that I've seen a lot of people (and I'm not necessarily say you're doing the same here) say that "I busted through his shoulder", when what they really busted through was the flat part of the scapula where it's a lot thinner. That spot -- though I think it should be avoided if possible simply due to the close proximity of the ball joint -- is entirely "makeable" to me given a setup that's properly tuned with all the projectile's energy focused behind the tip of the broadhead.
If one exactly hits the ball of the shoulder though, I have my doubts on a high rate of success -- if at all.
The reason I ask is that I've seen a lot of people (and I'm not necessarily say you're doing the same here) say that "I busted through his shoulder", when what they really busted through was the flat part of the scapula where it's a lot thinner. That spot -- though I think it should be avoided if possible simply due to the close proximity of the ball joint -- is entirely "makeable" to me given a setup that's properly tuned with all the projectile's energy focused behind the tip of the broadhead.
If one exactly hits the ball of the shoulder though, I have my doubts on a high rate of success -- if at all.
04-04-2008, 11:02 PM
#32
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Why a Heavy Setup(picture a little bloodie)
Gary,
Nice shot, great looking buck.
I like the slight quarter tooshot as long as I am close. I have taken it three times all 15 yards or closer and I am 3 for 3 with no problems, not so say something couldn't go wrong but I knew my set up could blow right through the shoulders of these animals and they did. Once on a bear at 8 yards, a cow elk at15 yards and a buck at 12yards. All three died very quickly and within 60 yards. I was shooting a Samson VFT Extreme 80 on two of the three with a 500 grain set up. I was shooting an 80lb CWM with a 500 grain set up. I lightened up for a few years from 04 till 07 seeking flatter trajectory. I have since thenswayedback to 525 grains to up myFOC. I am shooting an 04 80lb Liberty. My new arrow set up is a lot like what I shot from 98-03. I am looking for a set of 90 lb limbs for my Bowtech 04 Liberty if they ever made them...I know they did for the VFTsif anyone knows if I can get them, please pm me.
Nice shot, great looking buck.
I like the slight quarter tooshot as long as I am close. I have taken it three times all 15 yards or closer and I am 3 for 3 with no problems, not so say something couldn't go wrong but I knew my set up could blow right through the shoulders of these animals and they did. Once on a bear at 8 yards, a cow elk at15 yards and a buck at 12yards. All three died very quickly and within 60 yards. I was shooting a Samson VFT Extreme 80 on two of the three with a 500 grain set up. I was shooting an 80lb CWM with a 500 grain set up. I lightened up for a few years from 04 till 07 seeking flatter trajectory. I have since thenswayedback to 525 grains to up myFOC. I am shooting an 04 80lb Liberty. My new arrow set up is a lot like what I shot from 98-03. I am looking for a set of 90 lb limbs for my Bowtech 04 Liberty if they ever made them...I know they did for the VFTsif anyone knows if I can get them, please pm me.
04-05-2008, 01:36 AM
#34
Site Buck Guru
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RE: Why a Heavy Setup(picture a little bloodie)
Good shot and nice buck. I've done it myself a couple of times.
Part of being a good bow hunter is knowing your equipment and it's limitations.
It is always better to lean towards the heavy side with your equipment.
Part of being a good bow hunter is knowing your equipment and it's limitations.
It is always better to lean towards the heavy side with your equipment.
04-05-2008, 05:57 AM
#35
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RE: Why a Heavy Setup(picture a little bloodie)
Question for ya, Germ... did you actually scrutinize what part of the shoulder your broadhead went through upon field dressing it? I'm talking about looking at the actual bones after the meat was removed?
The reason I ask is that I've seen a lot of people (and I'm not necessarily say you're doing the same here) say that "I busted through his shoulder", when what they really busted through was the flat part of the scapula where it's a lot thinner.
The reason I ask is that I've seen a lot of people (and I'm not necessarily say you're doing the same here) say that "I busted through his shoulder", when what they really busted through was the flat part of the scapula where it's a lot thinner.
Greg I have the bone somewhere, i will look for it today. It went through the back part of the blade, not quite a dead center hit.
I agree about the ball joint. The deer was 12 yds from me, and the reason I aimed a little high was 1. I am 23 feet up, 2. I did not want to hit the ball joint
I have hit the ball joint on a deer, and it's about 40/60 chance of getting it. I ended up on the 60. The deer was broadside, I just made a poor shot. BTW Greg I never said i busted through the shoulder.
I put the pin right on the blade and pulled the trigger.
04-05-2008, 09:11 AM
#37
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Central Minnesota
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RE: Why a Heavy Setup(picture a little bloodie)
ORIGINAL: Greg / MO
Question for ya, Germ... did you actually scrutinize what part of the shoulder your broadhead went through upon field dressing it? I'm talking about looking at the actual bones after the meat was removed?
The reason I ask is that I've seen a lot of people (and I'm not necessarily say you're doing the same here) say that "I busted through his shoulder", when what they really busted through was the flat part of the scapula where it's a lot thinner. That spot -- though I think it should be avoided if possible simply due to the close proximity of the ball joint -- is entirely "makeable" to me given a setup that's properly tuned with all the projectile's energy focused behind the tip of the broadhead.
If one exactly hits the ball of the shoulder though, I have my doubts on a high rate of success -- if at all.
Question for ya, Germ... did you actually scrutinize what part of the shoulder your broadhead went through upon field dressing it? I'm talking about looking at the actual bones after the meat was removed?
The reason I ask is that I've seen a lot of people (and I'm not necessarily say you're doing the same here) say that "I busted through his shoulder", when what they really busted through was the flat part of the scapula where it's a lot thinner. That spot -- though I think it should be avoided if possible simply due to the close proximity of the ball joint -- is entirely "makeable" to me given a setup that's properly tuned with all the projectile's energy focused behind the tip of the broadhead.
If one exactly hits the ball of the shoulder though, I have my doubts on a high rate of success -- if at all.
04-05-2008, 09:26 AM
#38
Fork Horn
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RE: Why a Heavy Setup(picture a little bloodie)
I or people I have hunted with have shot through the shoulder blade on that angle many times with great success...I have also been on way too many dead end tracking trips after 0 penetration into the shoulder....The strange thing...all the times I have experienced great penetration on the shoulder (or anywhere else for that matter) were with recurve bows, 600+ grain wood arrows, and Magnus cut on contact heads...I know I am a strong believer in shooting HEAVY arrows....
04-05-2008, 09:35 AM
#39
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RE: Why a Heavy Setup(picture a little bloodie)
ORIGINAL: passthrough24
I or people I have hunted with have shot through the shoulder blade on that angle many times with great success...I have also been on way too many dead end tracking trips after 0 penetration into the shoulder....The strange thing...all the times I have experienced great penetration on the shoulder (or anywhere else for that matter) were with recurve bows, 600+ grain wood arrows, and Magnus cut on contact heads...I know I am a strong believer in shooting HEAVY arrows....
I or people I have hunted with have shot through the shoulder blade on that angle many times with great success...I have also been on way too many dead end tracking trips after 0 penetration into the shoulder....The strange thing...all the times I have experienced great penetration on the shoulder (or anywhere else for that matter) were with recurve bows, 600+ grain wood arrows, and Magnus cut on contact heads...I know I am a strong believer in shooting HEAVY arrows....
04-05-2008, 09:39 AM
#40
Giant Nontypical
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RE: Why a Heavy Setup(picture a little bloodie)
Germ, I wasn't trying to bust your balls... I simply don't think that 95% of bowhunters understand the difference between blowing through a relatively thin, flat blade of bone and hittingthe rather bulbous mass of bone that comprises the actual joint.
I've seen less than optimal setups blow right through the scapula, and likewise I've seen extremely heavy setups stopped cold on that ball joint (I speak from experience on this).
It waslate when I replied (I was up until past 1 a.m.), and I didn't remember seeing where you had clarified which one you had blown through... Irrespective of that, I think it's still a valid distinction to point out tothose who may be reading the thread and trying to learn something from those of us who've been there and done it -- or tried it.
I've seen less than optimal setups blow right through the scapula, and likewise I've seen extremely heavy setups stopped cold on that ball joint (I speak from experience on this
).It waslate when I replied (I was up until past 1 a.m.), and I didn't remember seeing where you had clarified which one you had blown through... Irrespective of that, I think it's still a valid distinction to point out tothose who may be reading the thread and trying to learn something from those of us who've been there and done it -- or tried it.
