If your BH's and FP's hit the same it means your bow is out of tune!?
#51
Dominant Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Blossvale, New York
Posts: 21,199
RE: If your BH's and FP's hit the same it means your bow is out of tune!?
1. I've owned ten or so hunting bows of various makes over the last decade. With every one of them, the BHs (several brands, including Muzzy, Montec and Bear) always hit a few inches low and left of the FPs at 40 yards no matter how much I tinkered.
#52
RE: If your BH's and FP's hit the same it means your bow is out of tune!?
ORIGINAL: Doegirl75
The machine only shows one part of the equation.
The muzzy was 3" inches off the mark.
But what if a group of three arrows w/ muzzys were shot and the end result was a double robinhood 3" away from the "x"?
I'd think I would do the easy thing and adjust my sights.
The machine only shows one part of the equation.
The muzzy was 3" inches off the mark.
But what if a group of three arrows w/ muzzys were shot and the end result was a double robinhood 3" away from the "x"?
I'd think I would do the easy thing and adjust my sights.
Arrows will spray left to right with field points if the centershot is off,and the results are worse for broadheads.
#53
RE: If your BH's and FP's hit the same it means your bow is out of tune!?
ORIGINAL: TFOX
That is a machine,if the centershot is off,results from a human will differ greatly.
Arrows will spray left to right with field points if the centershot is off,and the results are worse for broadheads.
ORIGINAL: Doegirl75
The machine only shows one part of the equation.
The muzzy was 3" inches off the mark.
But what if a group of three arrows w/ muzzys were shot and the end result was a double robinhood 3" away from the "x"?
I'd think I would do the easy thing and adjust my sights.
The machine only shows one part of the equation.
The muzzy was 3" inches off the mark.
But what if a group of three arrows w/ muzzys were shot and the end result was a double robinhood 3" away from the "x"?
I'd think I would do the easy thing and adjust my sights.
Arrows will spray left to right with field points if the centershot is off,and the results are worse for broadheads.
Like you said earlier in this post they only paper tuned, that's not "tuning". The center shot could be off for the test bow. But the effects are minimized (or hidden) by the machine.
I guess what I was trying to get at is that an aweful lot of conclusions were being drawn from just one shot. It's not a fair test.
#54
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Miami FL USA
Posts: 208
RE: If your BH's and FP's hit the same it means your bow is out of tune!?
Interesting thread alot of information passing back and forth.
Taking a field point off and adding a broadhead to the arrowshaft changes the arrow! The broadhead weakens the arrowspine simply by the fact that it lengthens the arrow. If the hunter decides to shoot a heavier weight broadhead than the fieldpoint weight it further complicates the new equation.
When tuning for broadheads you've got choices. Find the correct spined shaft for the broadheads your shooting. Decrease poundage to bring the arrowspine in on your existing shafts when shooting broadheads. Shorten the broadhead arrow shafts, or shoot a lighter broadhead than the fieldpoint weight to stiffen the spine.
Not all arrowshafts are created equal!!!!! One would be extremely lucky to find all twelve arrowshafts in a dozen to shoot broadheads well. Culling for hunting arrows I find is important and it may take a couple dozen or more shafts to get what you want. I also find that indexing your nock during the test process pays off to find the most favorable side of the shaft to launch from. Shafts have stiff and soft sides the spine can vary quite a bit from one side of the shaft to the other. Having a spine testor is a great tool to have in finding out exactly where the spine values are at from the get go.
Personally I have two sets of arrows, those for hunting kept in a case and then field arrows. I don't try to do both with one set of arrows. This saves time in not having to constantly re-tune, I'm always hunt ready.
Yes my field arrows impact with or very close (as good as I can shoot) to my broadhead arrows. I don't have to detune or change my bow going from one to the other.
Taking a field point off and adding a broadhead to the arrowshaft changes the arrow! The broadhead weakens the arrowspine simply by the fact that it lengthens the arrow. If the hunter decides to shoot a heavier weight broadhead than the fieldpoint weight it further complicates the new equation.
When tuning for broadheads you've got choices. Find the correct spined shaft for the broadheads your shooting. Decrease poundage to bring the arrowspine in on your existing shafts when shooting broadheads. Shorten the broadhead arrow shafts, or shoot a lighter broadhead than the fieldpoint weight to stiffen the spine.
Not all arrowshafts are created equal!!!!! One would be extremely lucky to find all twelve arrowshafts in a dozen to shoot broadheads well. Culling for hunting arrows I find is important and it may take a couple dozen or more shafts to get what you want. I also find that indexing your nock during the test process pays off to find the most favorable side of the shaft to launch from. Shafts have stiff and soft sides the spine can vary quite a bit from one side of the shaft to the other. Having a spine testor is a great tool to have in finding out exactly where the spine values are at from the get go.
Personally I have two sets of arrows, those for hunting kept in a case and then field arrows. I don't try to do both with one set of arrows. This saves time in not having to constantly re-tune, I'm always hunt ready.
Yes my field arrows impact with or very close (as good as I can shoot) to my broadhead arrows. I don't have to detune or change my bow going from one to the other.
#55
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: TEXAS
Posts: 247
RE: If your BH's and FP's hit the same it means your bow is out of tune!?
Well here is myhonest opinion and observation if you set up the bow right, then paper tune and bare shaft tune you can achieve broadhead and fp shooting the same. Not dead on the same but I also may take this a little to far I shoot a bowtech guardian 69lbs26 inch draw lengthgoldtip 3555 cut at 24 3/4 or maybe its 25 3/4 not sure written down at home. with quickspins 100grain tips and the broadheads bladesand vanes line up perfectly the arrows are perfectly squared front and back before inserting knocks or inserts. Then the insert is squared. They shoot close enough that i cant tell a difference out to 50yds but yet I can shoot fp and mechanicals time after time in the kill zone on my 3d deer yet there are the hand shacks and the every know and then hand torque that will send a fixed blade broadhead off course wind and everything plays into this. You can get it close enough but I just Cant do it consistantly enough to feel confindent in my fixed blades. All it take is 1 bad shot and the wrong time and thats the difference from clean kill and wounded suffering animal.
#56
Dominant Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Blossvale, New York
Posts: 21,199
RE: If your BH's and FP's hit the same it means your bow is out of tune!?
Taking a field point off and adding a broadhead to the arrowshaft changes the arrow! The broadhead weakens the arrowspine simply by the fact that it lengthens the arrow. If the hunter decides to shoot a heavier weight broadhead than the fieldpoint weight it further complicates the new equation.