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kickin_buck 03-14-2008 05:35 AM

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Awesome looking mount!

BobCo19-65 03-14-2008 05:36 AM

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Very nice!!!

mnbirddog 03-14-2008 05:42 AM

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ORIGINAL: Matt / PA


Have you had P@Y score it yet? If so what was the net score? Looks to be around 140" or so I would think.
That's the amazing part.......and I have to check his math and how they score these things LOL
I got 149 5/8" gross when I green scored him and the offical P&Y scorer got 145 5/8"
Exactly 4" lower and I took my time with cloth tape, marking tines the whole 9 yards....I got the same number 3 times in a row.
Anyway he came up with a score for my buddy frank's buck that was ALSO exactly 4" lower than our gross green score? So I'm not sure what we did wrong because man we were following the letter of the law on gross scoring.

Now here's the fun part and I think I need a second opinion. Because he is missing his left G2 (the broken base is only about 1/2" high) and even though it's obvious a point was there, the scorer said that the next tine down (his split G3) now becomes your G2 and you compare side to side that way.
So basically rather than matching tine for tine on such a symmetrical rack you wind up taking 2 against 3, 3 against 4 , 4 against 5 and it's nothing but deduction after deduction..... right down to his right G5 just becoming a straight deduction[:-]

Til' he was all said and done my net P&Y score wound up being 123 3/8"
:eek:

Can anyone look at a 13pt typical buck with a 21" inside spread and 21" main beams and figure that it won't even net P&Y?

I'm still a little confused by it but hey it is what it is I guess and he's a 145+" buck in my eyes.
If he had that broken G2 the scorer said the only deductions would have been the splits and he would have grossed about 151" and netted around 143".

He would actually net P&Y if I would break off the right G2!!:D
I really like to know that you are not the kind of guy that feels that the inches are the most important part. You could break off the right G2, but that's not the dandy you stuck! G'donya!

Hunter Dan7 03-14-2008 06:59 AM

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looks good, thats a real nice deer

Splitear_Leland 03-14-2008 07:01 AM

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I like the folds in the hide, they look very realistic.

kshunter 03-14-2008 07:08 AM

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Dang... my work computer is showing little red x's![:@] I'll check it out tonight. From the sounds of it, it'll be a great looking mount. Congrats!

quiksilver 03-14-2008 07:10 AM

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Nice looking mount, Matt. Great detail in the shoulder musculature. Taxidermy has definitely come a long way in the past 20 years.

Matt / PA 03-14-2008 11:37 AM

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Thanks again guys! That short haired early season cape really makes those folds show nicely without being obnoxious either.

Here's the exact form I chose for the mount:
94-7222R Full Wall Pedestal



MichaelHunsucker 03-14-2008 11:40 AM

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Looks good Matt! I know the feeling...i bet you cant wait to get it back!

Matt / PA 03-14-2008 12:32 PM

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Jim Keller (Taxidermist) doing his thing and hamming it up for the camera standing INSIDE the rack. ;):DLOL





BigJ71 03-14-2008 12:41 PM

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ORIGINAL: Matt / PA


Have you had P@Y score it yet? If so what was the net score? Looks to be around 140" or so I would think.
That's the amazing part.......and I have to check his math and how they score these things LOL
I got 149 5/8" gross when I green scored him and the offical P&Y scorer got 145 5/8"
Exactly 4" lower and I took my time with cloth tape, marking tines the whole 9 yards....I got the same number 3 times in a row.
Anyway he came up with a score for my buddy frank's buck that was ALSO exactly 4" lower than our gross green score? So I'm not sure what we did wrong because man we were following the letter of the law on gross scoring.

Now here's the fun part and I think I need a second opinion. Because he is missing his left G2 (the broken base is only about 1/2" high) and even though it's obvious a point was there, the scorer said that the next tine down (his split G3) now becomes your G2 and you compare side to side that way.
So basically rather than matching tine for tine on such a symmetrical rack you wind up taking 2 against 3, 3 against 4 , 4 against 5 and it's nothing but deduction after deduction..... right down to his right G5 just becoming a straight deduction[:-]

Til' he was all said and done my net P&Y score wound up being 123 3/8"
:eek:

Can anyone look at a 13pt typical buck with a 21" inside spread and 21" main beams and figure that it won't even net P&Y?

I'm still a little confused by it but hey it is what it is I guess and he's a 145+" buck in my eyes.
If he had that broken G2 the scorer said the only deductions would have been the splits and he would have grossed about 151" and netted around 143".

He would actually net P&Y if I would break off the right G2!!:D
That's precisely why I don't like deductions when measuring, it doesn't reflect the ACTUAL size of the deers antlers.

Great buck Matt and good looking mount for sure!

bloodcrick 03-16-2008 11:42 AM

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Matt/ dont know how i missed this post but the buck looks Great, you gotta be excited to get that one back, its a beauty ;)

GregH 03-16-2008 12:13 PM

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ORIGINAL: Matt / PA


Sweet looking buck Matt! He sure looks bigger then your pics in the field. Excellent looking buck and mount, congrats again!!;)
You know just about everyone says that until they see the rack in person or hold it, I think people forget that I'm 6'3" and 200+?Kinda screws up the scale a bit. LOL That was a big animal. :D
That inside spread is 21 1/8".
This is exactly why all of my deer look small, imagine what bigJ's deer must score! [:-]

GregH 03-16-2008 12:24 PM

RE: Spoiling the Surprise.......
 

ORIGINAL: Matt / PA


Have you had P@Y score it yet? If so what was the net score? Looks to be around 140" or so I would think.
That's the amazing part.......and I have to check his math and how they score these things LOL
I got 149 5/8" gross when I green scored him and the offical P&Y scorer got 145 5/8"
Exactly 4" lower and I took my time with cloth tape, marking tines the whole 9 yards....I got the same number 3 times in a row.
Anyway he came up with a score for my buddy frank's buck that was ALSO exactly 4" lower than our gross green score? So I'm not sure what we did wrong because man we were following the letter of the law on gross scoring.

Now here's the fun part and I think I need a second opinion. Because he is missing his left G2 (the broken base is only about 1/2" high) and even though it's obvious a point was there, the scorer said that the next tine down (his split G3) now becomes your G2 and you compare side to side that way.
So basically rather than matching tine for tine on such a symmetrical rack you wind up taking 2 against 3, 3 against 4 , 4 against 5 and it's nothing but deduction after deduction..... right down to his right G5 just becoming a straight deduction[:-]

Til' he was all said and done my net P&Y score wound up being 123 3/8"
:eek:

Can anyone look at a 13pt typical buck with a 21" inside spread and 21" main beams and figure that it won't even net P&Y?

I'm still a little confused by it but hey it is what it is I guess and he's a 145+" buck in my eyes.
If he had that broken G2 the scorer said the only deductions would have been the splits and he would have grossed about 151" and netted around 143".

He would actually net P&Y if I would break off the right G2!!:D
You know, I think you need a second opinion too. I never heard of this, I would think that you'd deduct the side to side for the g-2s. The g-2 is missing (apparent where it was), so deduct the difference in g-2s. In your case the entire good g-2. I'll bet that Buckeye would know, ask him.

Regardless, it's a dandy buck and a solid 145 class deer. One of my favorite deer nets only 115" (over 136 gross). You'd think score wise he was a 2 1/2 but that's not the case. Gross score more accurately depicts the size of the buck.

Here he is.



Rhody Hunter 03-16-2008 03:34 PM

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looks like an awsome mount

OhioRedNeck 03-16-2008 05:46 PM

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Nice looking mount


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