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brucelanthier 03-10-2008 11:17 AM

Tuning with just one method
 
If you could only tune your setup using just one method which would you use.

I have listed the methods that seem to be most commonly talked about.



*I thought this should go in Technical but they don't allow for polls in there.

idahoelkinstructor 03-10-2008 11:25 AM

RE: Tuning with just one method
 
paper

KodiakArcher 03-10-2008 11:25 AM

RE: Tuning with just one method
 
You left out broadhead tune, which would be my vote. Eyeball everything and/or set it up with levels, shoot groups to get it sighted with target tips, then screw on the broadheads and dial it in.

For my target only bows its a combination of paper then walk back.

I guess my final answer is; There is no "just one method".

Western MA Hunter 03-10-2008 11:27 AM

RE: Tuning with just one method
 
from what I've been told, the paper is the most concise...


GMMAT 03-10-2008 11:28 AM

RE: Tuning with just one method
 
Honestly? If you're getting good, consistent groups.....what difference does anything else make?

KodiakArcher 03-10-2008 11:29 AM

RE: Tuning with just one method
 

ORIGINAL: Western MA Hunter

from what I've been told, the paper is the most concise...

but least "precise".

brucelanthier 03-10-2008 11:29 AM

RE: Tuning with just one method
 

ORIGINAL: KodiakArcher

You left out broadhead tune,
I left that out on purpose otherwise you would have the mechanicals and 2-blades and low profiles, etc, to differentiate from.

I chose barshaft because I can use that to tune at a distance and it gives me the feedback about my spine, also at a distance,that I like.

I should have asked for folks to describe why they would make the choice they would make.

brucelanthier 03-10-2008 11:33 AM

RE: Tuning with just one method
 

ORIGINAL: GMMAT

Honestly? If you're getting good, consistent groups.....what difference does anything else make?
Efficiency. If your bow is shooting your arrow correctly it is transferring the enrgy more efficiently. The arrow is flying more efficiently amd will have the best chance to do its' job, efficiently. Can untuned bows and arrows kill game? Sure, happens every year, butif the shot is less than good and the conditions are less than good I want my equipment functioning most efficiently because it will be more forgiving of my erros and bad conditions.

brucelanthier 03-10-2008 11:34 AM

RE: Tuning with just one method
 

ORIGINAL: KodiakArcher

I guess my final answer is; There is no "just one method".
LOL of course not and there shouldn't be, but the poll is to find out which method you have the most faith/trust in.

Come on now, pick just one.

idahoelkinstructor 03-10-2008 11:35 AM

RE: Tuning with just one method
 

ORIGINAL: KodiakArcher


ORIGINAL: Western MA Hunter

from what I've been told, the paper is the most concise...

but least "precise".

True, but that is why I walk back tune after I paper tune.

GMMAT 03-10-2008 11:39 AM

RE: Tuning with just one method
 

Efficiency. If your bow is shooting your arrow correctly it is transferring the enrgy more efficiently. The arrow is flying more efficiently amd will have the best chance to do its' job, efficiently. Can untuned bows and arrows kill game? Sure, happens every year, butif the shot is less than good and the conditions are less than good I want my equipment functioning most efficiently because it will be more forgiving of my erros and bad conditions.
True, Bruce....and I though of that. And I guess the question could be asked.....tuned for what? What you speak of is why some people shoudn't be shooting mechanicals.;)

I guess I've been shooting a lot of targets of late....and my answer was geared more towards that.

idahoelkinstructor 03-10-2008 11:42 AM

RE: Tuning with just one method
 

ORIGINAL: brucelanthier


ORIGINAL: GMMAT

Honestly? If you're getting good, consistent groups.....what difference does anything else make?
Efficiency. If your bow is shooting your arrow correctly it is transferring the enrgy more efficiently. The arrow is flying more efficiently amd will have the best chance to do its' job, efficiently. Can untuned bows and arrows kill game? Sure, happens every year, butif the shot is less than good and the conditions are less than good I want my equipment functioning most efficiently because it will be more forgiving of my erros and bad conditions.
I agree, also I have seen many guys who were shooting good groups with an out of tune bow. If you were to inspect the arrows closely before pulling themoutof the target. You would find theycould beall pointing a slightly different direction, but yet the point of inpact will betogether. Also a untune bow will never shootas fast, asif it was in tune.

brucelanthier 03-10-2008 11:49 AM

RE: Tuning with just one method
 

ORIGINAL: GMMAT


Efficiency. If your bow is shooting your arrow correctly it is transferring the enrgy more efficiently. The arrow is flying more efficiently amd will have the best chance to do its' job, efficiently. Can untuned bows and arrows kill game? Sure, happens every year, butif the shot is less than good and the conditions are less than good I want my equipment functioning most efficiently because it will be more forgiving of my erros and bad conditions.
True, Bruce....and I though of that. And I guess the question could be asked.....tuned for what? What you speak of is why some people shoudn't be shooting mechanicals.;)

I guess I've been shooting a lot of targets of late....and my answer was geared more towards that.
Well, if I am just shooting field points then I stop tuning when the bow and arrow are shooting they way I think they should. If I am going to be shooting broadheads then I will put broadheads on the shafts and tune those too. I have found, even with my Muzzy Phantoms, that, if I even have to make any adjustments, they are very, very small.

I try and keep my shaft as close to centershot as possible. That means I adjust my DW to compensate for the spine before I ever adjust my rest. That way I only have to move my rest a small amount.

I am not sure what you meant by "tuned for what" so I gave a couple of answers.

brucelanthier 03-10-2008 11:53 AM

RE: Tuning with just one method
 

ORIGINAL: idahoelkinstructor


ORIGINAL: brucelanthier


ORIGINAL: GMMAT

Honestly? If you're getting good, consistent groups.....what difference does anything else make?
Efficiency. If your bow is shooting your arrow correctly it is transferring the enrgy more efficiently. The arrow is flying more efficiently amd will have the best chance to do its' job, efficiently. Can untuned bows and arrows kill game? Sure, happens every year, butif the shot is less than good and the conditions are less than good I want my equipment functioning most efficiently because it will be more forgiving of my erros and bad conditions.
I agree, also I have seen many guys who were shooting good groups with an out of tune bow. If you were to inspect the arrows closely before pulling themoutof the target. You would find theycould beall pointing a slightly different direction, but yet the point of inpact will betogether. Also a untune bow will never shootas fast, asif it was in tune.
To add to this: You can also be shooting a good group at 15 yds but when you go back to 40 it is not so good anymore.

mauser06 03-10-2008 12:03 PM

RE: Tuning with just one method
 
i too would take a broadhead tune. if i can get a full sized 3 fixed blade head to fly with my field points at all my distances, i found that my other tunes are right on. ive checked group tune and walk back tune and both were great after broadhead tuning. i find broadhead tuning to just be easier for me. and after the broadhead tune i HAVE watched long ranger groups shrink and shooting become more consistant.

paper tuning is just getting things close to being in tune. if you only shot 20yds all day every day, you might never notice if your bow isnt in perfect tune...but shoot at 30, 40, 50, 60+yds and you can and will see groups open up and/or arrows angled oddly or groups impacting left and right of where your vertical zero is...(ie you shot dead center at 20yds but at 30 you hit a little right and 40 you hit a little left...)

if i cant have my broadhead tune id go with a walk back or group tune...

Rob/PA Bowyer 03-10-2008 12:05 PM

RE: Tuning with just one method
 
Actually none of the above, if it were one and one only, it'd be laser and levels!

brucelanthier 03-10-2008 12:08 PM

RE: Tuning with just one method
 

ORIGINAL: Rob/PA Bowyer

Actually none of the above, if it were one and one only, it'd be laser and levels!
I use those too but, maybe just to me, that is more "setup" than tuning. laser and levels don't help with adjusting for spine. I wouldn't think of going hunting after just using laser and levels but I would after tuning with one of the above methods.

KodiakArcher 03-10-2008 12:47 PM

RE: Tuning with just one method
 

ORIGINAL: brucelanthier


ORIGINAL: KodiakArcher

You left out broadhead tune,
I left that out on purpose otherwise you would have the mechanicals and 2-blades and low profiles, etc, to differentiate from.
Not true. You broadhead tune with whatever broadhead you're going to hunt with, doesn't matter what design it is as long as it's the same as you're going to use. I'd expect that if it was a high profile multi-blade and you get it tuned properly, it's going to shoot an expandable or low profile head equally well, just like it's going to shoot field points as good or better than it did before it was "fine tuned".

GregH 03-10-2008 12:49 PM

RE: Tuning with just one method
 
If I could only use one method it would be group tune.

brucelanthier 03-10-2008 12:57 PM

RE: Tuning with just one method
 

ORIGINAL: KodiakArcher


ORIGINAL: brucelanthier


ORIGINAL: KodiakArcher

You left out broadhead tune,
I left that out on purpose otherwise you would have the mechanicals and 2-blades and low profiles, etc, to differentiate from.
Not true. You broadhead tune with whatever broadhead you're going to hunt with, doesn't matter what design it is as long as it's the same as you're going to use. I'd expect that if it was a high profile multi-blade and you get it tuned properly, it's going to shoot an expandable or low profile head equally well, just like it's going to shoot field points as good or better than it did before it was "fine tuned".
Yes, you are correct. I am not sure what I was thinking but I did leave broadhead tuning out on purpose. I guess I was just thinking of field points as lately that is all I am shooting.


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