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RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates

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ORIGINAL: GregH

Hunting for mature bucks is like removing the training wheels from your bicycle isn't it? It's a bit more of a challenge. [:-];)

Hey, then why not go back to the recurve. You could then have a then and now colauge.;)

RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates

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ORIGINAL: GMMAT

Gus...

Is it easier to kill a lot of deer ......if you hunt where a lot of deer live?

I can tell you the answer to that question is "YES".

So....wouldn't it stand to reason .......if there were more mature deer (insert name of location, here)......that they would be easier to kill?

Takes NOTHING away from...nor does it even take into account a hunter's prowess. It's simple math.

It may be easier than it was before there were more mature bucks, but it's still a challenge, which was the question.

RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates

The 8 pt slug kill. Only about half of the ones in the shop are mine.

RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates

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It may be easier than it was before there were more mature bucks, but it's still a challenge, which was the question.

Of course, Greg.....just less of one. Point conceded.

RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates

Bear with me, Im still trying to figure out this picture thing.

RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates

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ORIGINAL: BobCo19-65

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ORIGINAL: GregH

Hunting for mature bucks is like removing the training wheels from your bicycle isn't it? It's a bit more of a challenge. [:-];)

Hey, then why not go back to the recurve. You could then have a then and now colauge.;)

I've killed deer with a recurve and plan on doing it more some day. Just don't know when. Besides, all of my mature buck kills have been between 6 and 21 yards. The real challenge is getting close to them (hunting). I do so by learning about them and their habits. I don't think that by me switching to a recurve would have that much of an effect on me killing a mature buck. I like to get real close to them.

RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates

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ORIGINAL: GMMAT

Gus...

Is it easier to kill a lot of deer ......if you hunt where a lot of deer live?

I can tell you the answer to that question is "YES".

So....wouldn't it stand to reason .......if there were more mature deer (insert name of location, here)......that they would be easier to kill?

Takes NOTHING away from...nor does it even take into account a hunter's prowess. It's simple math.

Having success hunting whitetails is determined a lot by geography and willingness to wait it out and perhaps eating tag soup. I know that.

My question was more toward the "challenge" aspect that so many seak of while championing the the idea of not shooting young bucks.

If the woods are littered with 4.5 year old deer would it be that difficult to kill one? I see a lot of the same people who are "trophy" hunters also advocate that you "let em go so they can grow". Seems like they are after the horns more than the challenge........

RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates

Gus:

I think you're saying what a lotof people think....and don't say.;)

RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates

Gus:

I think you're saying what a lot of people think.....but won't say.;)

RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates

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Let me try to take a crack at this. Hopefully I can effectively verbalize what I am thinking.

Your original question along with the bold part of your quote above suggests that you really are not much different from the "mature buck only" crowd that you are questioning. The only difference is the minimumage of the buck you desire to shoot. Hopefully I can explain it well....

Forgive me if I am wrong, butyou seem to have a desire to shoot a buck rather than a doe. How is that fundamentally different that someone who desires to shoot a mature buck rather than a young buck? Person A prefers any buck versus a doe. Person B prefers a mature buck versus a young buck. The same question that you are asking of Person B could be asked ofYOU by Person C who huntsexclusively for meat.Person Cdoesn't care...not even a little...about antlers or sex or even weight of the animal. Hypothetically,Person C sees all deer equally and valuesthem all equally. Person C could then askYOU (Person A)the same questionYOU are asking Person B. Person C would ask, "Why do you desire to shoot any buck over adoe? And whydo some areas limit my ability to legally kill a doe? I just want to eat venison,so why is my desire to shoot any deerless valid thanother hunters' desire to shoot a buck only or a mature buck only?"

So really, deep down inside, you know the answer to your question. Some peopleshoot mature bucks because it is more satisfyingto them than a young buck. Just as any buck is more satisfying to you than a doe. Forgive me for any false assumptions and for any flawed logic...I just woke up.

I see no flaw in that logic. However I grew up hunting in areas whos laws allowed ALL THREE hunters can choose to kill deer they see fit. My point was that many (though it seems not so many as I expect to see on this sight) "trophy hunters" or as I originally said "mature buck advocates" don't want to allow everyone to continue hunting how they want. They want the harvest biased to mature bucks, so I and others like me cant shoot whatever we see fit. Though I may be wrong, I think part of that is so that it is "easier" to shoot big bucks, therefore (imo) making them less like trophies, and more the norm.