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So, according to the designer of my Iron Mace, thisguy is a collegue - andwas using some of the HCA Speed Pro 5.5 arrows on an experimental basisout of his 80# PSE X-Force and laying the smack down on some major-league big game.

The details: Bow was pushing in the neighborhood of 400 fps with an arrow in the neighborhood of 325 grains. KE in the 115# range.

Check out the near-passthrough on the elephant. Flippin' sweet.













He was definitely outside the warranty limits on his PSE, but there was a rumor going around that PSE was prepared to dip their warranty down in '08 to 4 grains per pound... Which would put him right on the money (4.06). Apparently everything performed in a reliable, consistent manner.

So, I guess it looks like HCA isn't the only one building bows to perform reliably with that kind of setup.

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Is elephant meat any good??

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I should have known (Quick) that this would be a thread about light arrows traveling fast!:DThose pictures are incredible.

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Okay, let's try this thread again. It went way off topic in a bad way.

Let me also say to you guys that are basically parroting the PETA mindset, only applying your reasoningto African game. Do your research before you open your mouth. [:@]

Here's a place to start: http://www.iwmc.org/elephant/981127.htm

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hUYjJJiZnA6gpuz-BtqIRWc2LQ9QD8V1ILAO0

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Atta girl!

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Thanks Christine! Exactly what I was just typing in response to the deleted thread.

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I was just thru the first page ofthe great african debate when it went poof from underneath me. Glad you are giving it a second chance Christine. I'll keep my opinion to myself, as I think it would be a chance of a lifetime to hunt africa.


Regarding the light arrow thing, you put something moving REALLY fast with a REALLY sharp head on it and you are going to get some penetration. 115# of KE is HUGE coming out of a bow.

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I'll 3rd that. Nicelink of info you produced.

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Awwwwe.. I was just on page 4 Christine. Then it went away. Forever.

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I'm pretty impressed with the fact that the old Zwickey could fly straight at almost 400fps. Says alot about that head and the bowhunter's ability to tune a bow. Any particulars on the buffalo that was killed like shot placement, penetration, etc?

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Sorry about that Christine, I agree it went way off topic, and from now on I'll keep my opinions a little more under the rug.;)

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What happened? All I posted was the hunter was using a zwickey bh. Went back to check it and gone!! Must of got dirty for some stupid reason.

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I would like to know if he was lucky enough to have missed the ribs.

I have often said that speed will be the best for penetration on skin and hyde due to friction.Speed fights off friction but when it comes to bone hits,momentum is king.(check laws of friction)As speed increases,friction decreases.

I would be willing to bet that at the kinds of speeds this setup was producing that even that light arrow had a decent amount of momentum as well.

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Those of us who are working most of the day miss all the good stuff!:DI missed a juicy debate about the need to kill elephants? It is not my thing,none of the African game animals do any thing for me but I understand the country is very beautiful.A good friend is soon to be headed there for the third time.
That penetration is unbelieveable,it would be interesting to feel the hand shock/vibration and hear the shot noise out of that set up.

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Hey I thought I had some good post[&:]

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If you are starving to death because elephants have raided and pummled what little bit of a crop you were trying to raise... I'd suspect so.

There's enough of it to go around though.

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I'd say by the pictures it got the lungs.... ol' bright red frothy nose bleed.

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That is pretty neat.

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Pretty sweet to get that kind on penetration.

For the other topic, I do know a guy who went on 2 seperate Africa hunts (which dont really do it for me either) where much of the game was pushed into the river with a bulldozer. Apparently they really have no way to handle all the meat the "hunters" shoot before it spoils, so they took a small amount and fed the crocks the rest. Among the animals that were pushed in whole was an adult cow elephant. From what he and a couple others have told me, that is by no means an isolated incident. In fact he told me that almost everything shot by everyone -at least where he was -is used for bait to shoot something else, or left to rot. Seems the money brought in helps keep them fed more than the meat would???

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are there no arrow weight limits in the African country this was taken in ??? I cannot believe an outfitter or guide would allow that in his camp, guess it possible, I'm just suspcicious is all

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Most places do have strict restrictions on archery gear including minimum arrow weights. Some have outlawed archery gear for dangerous game altogether but remember that "Africa" is a continent made up of a number of different countries, each with its own laws, customs and game population issues just like each state here.

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Ill have to say i agree with you, hunting the animals over there.I really dont see the need and i have never heard of them being eatin although im sure they are. I just know of them being hunt or poached for the tusks. BUT nonetheless it is an amazing feat of archery to take such a big animal with a bow and that makes him some sort of archery god.

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Me too, damn[:@]

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Actually HCH's was the best I've seen in a while. Ah well, it was off topic.

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Off topic Miller they call me.[8D] I saw Chuck Adamsspeak at the IA Bowhunters ASS banquet a few years back and one of his topics was bowhunting elephants. He said that some African country wanted/hired him to test the ability of archery equipment on an elephant, so that the country could determine as to whether or not they would allow archery in the world of elephant hunting in their country. He said he worked out and worked out on shooting a 100 # Bow(I believe that was the poundage) Anyway, long story short, he advised the country that archery equipment had no business in the game of elephants. He told of his elephant kill and howhim and his trackersalmost got killedby the elephant and the poor performance of his arrow etc.Of course that was years back and he wasn't shooting that PSE.

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The good dentist Ashby says this can't happen:D.

Great shooting and penetration.
What was the penetration on the Buf's?

Steve

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Wow thats nuts. What are the chances of the arrow ending up like that, and staying there(it definately did not drop on the spot!), in the elephant?

I will admit I have never seen elephant rib bones....but I highly doubt the arrow hit one, in or out, on that critter while achieving total penitration.

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Thats some outstanding penetration

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And no else is going to get total penetration if they hit a rib as big around as your forearm, regardless of KE or arrow weight. I'll go out on limb here and speculate that the lighter weight helped. If he indeed "nick" a rib, then in all likelihood the arrow deflected off the bone and kept going.

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That would be where you are totally wrong there. I have a personal friend who broke an elephants ribs going in and coming out on a complete passthrough. He was shooting over a 900 grain arrow out of a 90 lb bow. He said his KE was in the upper 90's but MOMENTUM was way more important here. The HEAVY arrow is what did it!

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I'm sorry, I'm just having a hard time swallowing that someone could completely bust through an elephants ribs coming and going out for a complete passthru. Not trying to pick a fight here. I'm just doubtful.

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Doubtful, oh okay, I'm lying to you. Have a nice day. I'll let my friend know he's full of it and didn't do what actually happened. [&:] WOW.