kickin_buck

Just ask Illinois about that. 4th year in a row they have voted to increase the number of out-of-state tags. I am just glad that not every hunter has to put up with what Illinois hunter have to.

hardcorehunter

Where did I say anything about free? Being neighborly and helpful comes at a cost; but you evidentally don't believe in that kind of payment. It went out in the 30's, right?[:'(]

Lanse couche couche

As long as there is a buttload of deer all over Illinois and out-of-state permits are a major cash cow, nothing will be done.

Germ

Really where did I say thatHey I cut you a load of wood, Oak. Can you come spray my house?

Howler

On the bright side of the debate is the fact that about 21 states have started some form of private-land-access programs and have opened approx. 26,799,824 acres to the public. For instance, KS. only has about 2% of public owned land, but that state has started a walk-in program, read as LEASE, and has opened approx. 1,000,000 acres that can now be hunted by the public.
There is no doubt that finding private land to hunt without paying cash to do so is getting tougher, but there are still opportunitys to be found.
And, if you think that the subsidies are making any farmers rich, you don't know much about farming. CRP, for instance, makes less per acre than a successful crop of corn, soybean, wheat, milo, etc. Even with the record breaking cash crop prices of today, let's not forget that the price of fertilizer, diesel, ammonia, property taxes, etc. are also at record levels. No farmer is getting rich in a hurry. The best thing any farmer has going for him is IF he owns his land. Land prices are going through the roof in the last three years. BUT with those record setting land prices, comes higher property taxes!

hardcorehunter

I do the barter system with clients. A load of wood for a spray job is equal value; sounds good to me.

kickin_buck

I hope that KS has made some laws allowing only in-state hunters, otherwise that land too will be over ran with out-of-state hunters looking to score big. It might be a step in the right direction, but still far from solving the problem.

Lanse couche couche

Howler,

You should check out some of the houses owned by cotton and sugar planters down south who benefit from subsidies. Of course that's not true for everybody, but like i said there can sometimes be a fine line between giving people a hand and giving them a free ride.

the program you describe sounds like South Dakota's. Like i said before, if everyone lives within a short distance of large tracts of public access land, then a lot of these problems will disappear overnight.

kickin_buck

Does that load of wood or spray job have a value? Then you are paying, no different than if you giving them cash. I would be glad to help out any way I can, but the truth is, helping out around the farm does not compare to $10,000 cash. I love the fact that you can only see things one way. Must be nice to walk thru life with blinders on.

Germ

Perfect let me know when your in MI