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Rick James 02-05-2008 07:49 PM

RE: Whisker Biscuit accuracy past 20 yards.......WAY past
 
He had to have been aiming at a point well above the impact point of the arrows. Most FITA shooters struggle to get 100 yards out of a sight before you start running into problems with the arrow and vanes clearing the bottom of the sight housing. Unless this guy has like a 6.5"+ peep height (unheard of, average is 5-5.5") there is no way he's getting that distance without aiming above that dot he was hitting.

With all that said, I still strongly believe the biscuit is as at least as forgiving if not more forgiving than a drop away for an average shooter. I do believe a spring steel type rest is more forgiving than a biscuit, but it really isn't a great option for hunting for obvious reasons. I honestly think even the old TM Hunter prong style rests are a better option for the average guy and will produce more consistent results than a drop away.

Washington Hunter 02-05-2008 07:55 PM

RE: Whisker Biscuit accuracy past 20 yards.......WAY past
 

ORIGINAL: Rick James

He had to have been aiming at a point well above the impact point of the arrows. Most FITA shooters struggle to get 100 yards out of a sight before you start running into problems with the arrow and vanes clearing the bottom of the sight housing. Unless this guy has like a 6.5"+ peep height (unheard of, average is 5-5.5") there is no way he's getting that distance without aiming above that dot he was hitting.

With all that said, I still strongly believe the biscuit is as at least as forgiving if not more forgiving than a drop away for an average shooter. I do believe a spring steel type rest is more forgiving than a biscuit, but it really isn't a great option for hunting for obvious reasons. I honestly think even the old TM Hunter prong style rests are a better option for the average guy and will produce more consistent results than a drop away.
That got me curious...

I just went and measured my peep height. From the center of where I nock to the center of my peep is just over 6".

youngbowhunter93 02-05-2008 07:55 PM

RE: Whisker Biscuit accuracy past 20 yards.......WAY past
 
I gave up on the whisker biscuit it may be a accurate rest but why deal with the vane damage when thier are plenty of other rest that dont damage vanes whisker biscuit seems worthless to me

TFOX 02-05-2008 07:56 PM

RE: Whisker Biscuit accuracy past 20 yards.......WAY past
 

ORIGINAL: Rick James

He had to have been aiming at a point well above the impact point of the arrows. Most FITA shooters struggle to get 100 yards out of a sight before you start running into problems with the arrow and vanes clearing the bottom of the sight housing. Unless this guy has like a 6.5"+ peep height (unheard of, average is 5-5.5") there is no way he's getting that distance without aiming above that dot he was hitting.

With all that said, I still strongly believe the biscuit is as at least as forgiving if not more forgiving than a drop away for an average shooter. I do believe a spring steel type rest is more forgiving than a biscuit, but it really isn't a great option for hunting for obvious reasons. I honestly think even the old TM Hunter prong style rests are a better option for the average guy and will produce more consistent results than a drop away.

I actually agree that the prong rest is more forgiving but is harder to tune with helical.Plus the dropaways usually aid in the drawing and letdown without worry of an arrow falling off the rest.So does the wb.:D


I also agree with you on the distance,I can't shoot that far with my setup as is.


I have however seen Trophy Taker results on a shooting machine and they were great,and that is testing creep and such but I understand your points about fallaways.I even agree with them to a point.An improperly setup fallaway could be a pain in the but to shoot.



MichiganWhitetails74 02-05-2008 08:08 PM

RE: Whisker Biscuit accuracy past 20 yards.......WAY past
 
The whiskers hurt vanes but how can you not like them? They are worry free in the woods...

And I thought I was king with a 53 yard doe shot with my luma knocks and a whisker....

Awesome shooting.....awesome....you know your stuff....can't touch that....Great Accomplishment

niehenke 02-05-2008 08:30 PM

RE: Whisker Biscuit accuracy past 20 yards.......WAY past
 
Let me start by saying that the WB is not for me, yet I think that this is a rest for many. The tuning and damage to vanes is troublesome for me. I am using the limb driver and I am getting to like it. This video was amazing to me and things just are not adding up. Call me a skeptic, but did anyone see his movement with the tree in the background? Steady eddy he was not.Second, did anyone see bigfoot run infront of the target sticking in 3 arrows? Maybe it was a smudge on my monitor. I guess this is one of those things that I would have to be there to believe.

niehenke 02-05-2008 08:49 PM

RE: Whisker Biscuit accuracy past 20 yards.......WAY past
 
One more question, has anyone taken a shot at this distance and could record the sound of an arrow hitting a target at that distance outdoors? Second question, he was near the target and the recorder was still taping AND recording his voice. How is this possible? My questioning is not because he was using WB, but more because this is amazing to shoot that far.

And one statement, their going to see an accurate WB ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noTCZtPNnzQ&feature=related

again, their going to see accurate WB. I put this on here because I think sometimes we can get a little too serious on these threads. Gotta love this sport.

BigJ71 02-05-2008 09:46 PM

RE: Whisker Biscuit accuracy past 20 yards.......WAY past
 

ORIGINAL: TFOX


ORIGINAL: loogout1

Atlas, that's funny, I saw that rest and the video and thought the same thing. So which is it? Support the arrow as long as possible or get it off as quick as possible? I'm so confused.
I will try to explain this again

It is guidance that is referred to as needed as long as possible but what is not wanted is for the rest to still have contact after the string lets go,as the wb does.This is an UNFORGIVING scenario,doesn't necessarily equate to ACCURACY,the 2 are toatlly different things.

TFOX,

I can understand the theory behind that statement (bold text) but I have one problem with it.You'reprobably looking at about 3-4 inches of arrow (if that) that's still in the biscuitby the time theit clears the string....Now at an average speed of say.....275fps,how many milliseconds do you think the arrowtakes to clear the rest....3-4inches of it??

My contention is you (or anybody else) couldn't movetheir bow hand fast enoughfrom the time the string lets go of the arrow to the time it clears the rest,to cause any problems with the arrow flight....even if you wanted to! I just don't think human reflexes are fast enough to pull that off.

No, I'll say it again, the problems (if any)start well before the arrow is even shot.....this video proves that.


Atlas,

This video is another reason that I've kept my Fred Bear Code even after buying a Mathews. It's a great bow and I'm sure I'll hunt with it again next year...........with a Whisker Biscuit.;)

virginiashadow 02-05-2008 09:52 PM

RE: Whisker Biscuit accuracy past 20 yards.......WAY past
 
I used a Whisker Biscuit for a couple of seasons---liked the accuracy alot, hated the noise and vane damage--had to get rid of it. It helped me shoot a nice buck at 34 yards with a crappy bow.

TFOX 02-05-2008 09:57 PM

RE: Whisker Biscuit accuracy past 20 yards.......WAY past
 
Big,those last couple inches are really the ones that matter imo,that is when all the things that happened on the shot will show up,ie,torque,dropped arm etc.



My biggest problem with the rest is more on the tuning side of things,hell,I had an arrow break on the first shot with one of the first models.;)..Of course the bow had a limb that was bad and threw the arrow into the top of the ring but is still broke an arrow.:DShould have seen the look on our faces when that happened.


The bristles on the bottom make it impossible to set the proper tension(prong rest have a spring tension for this.IMO,the drop away drops before it causes the kick to the arrow.This cause the arrow to want to kick up,making the whole tuning process more difficult.IMO


BUt I am anal about the tuning process.[&:]


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