Which "LOOKS" better...Form, draw length
 

Which looks better to you all? I know that doesnt necessarily mean it is better but which looks better. I honestly have a hard time telling a difference but there is a full inch of diff.

27.5"


28.5"

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I'd say the 27.5"

I think you look more relaxed

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Break that bow arm down a bit and your an inch to long.

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27.5" looks better...I bet your form would look even better @27"

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I agree, Aaron, come spring and the NC GTG, I'm going to work on your form. :)

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Ditto!

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Aaron:

My opinion.....but you also have to think about the fact that just maybe that string stretched some since it was new.

Maybe these Bowtech guys can speak to whether or not that's possible......but I shot the bow a LOT in 12 months.

I'm suggesting you get Gibblet to make you a set of strings and cables and put them on with your new mods. I know it's another expense.....but I think it would be money well spent.

Peace of mind.

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Ok one thing i forgot, the element at 27.5" has bout a 1/2" D-loop, that will be taken care of with the Ally;). And i know my form is not great but bare in mind i was on a 10second timer...[8D]

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Thats about to finalized on my part;). I jsut gotta give him the go.

Rob-I would be more than happy to have my form worked on... I will try to get a pic of my true form sometime, but prob. not much different than what you see here.

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That's a good point Aaron.

Also, when you get the 27.5" mods for your Alli, check the specs via ATA measurements and make sure their on. Jeff makes a point on string/cable creep.

You can easily make that up by twisting the cables up.

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27.5 definatly.

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You're gonna hate to hear this, but I'm thinking you look long on the 27 1/2" dl, too... Maybe it's just the camera angle, but it almost looks like you're anchoring in "thin air" even in that pic. Maybe you're anchoring against your hair back there and I can't tell. I'd still like to see you anchor somewhere more up against your jawbone than the side of your head behind your ear if that's the case.

It also looks like your cocking your head back to get behind the string to see through your peep... Stand in front of a mirror and work on standing exactly straight up and down with your weight centered on both shoulders and your head centered on your neck. If I drewa line from your belly button up, I think you'd see that your neck is almost all behind it. Sometimes that's a function of too long a draw, and sometimes it's just a bad habit people fall into. I know I have to conciously feel like I'm leaning forward to actually stand up straight when I'm at full draw; I'm spending more and more time in front of a mirror myself practicing, because I have a tendency to lean back. My draw length doesn't change, just the angle of my upper body... but once I get to where standing straight up and down "feels" right, I know I'll have a more solid base.

So... in a nutshell, I'm not ready to declare your draw length too long merely from you leaning slightly back, though it very well could be indicative of that. I do think the fact that you're anchoring way back behind your ear and not against bone is pretty revealing -- especially with as straight a bow arm as you're exhibiting.

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Ill try that Greg, it will be a great use for my "shrine"lol. I was using a kisser on the element and just kinda touched my nose to the string on the ally... My arms cant be This short!![&:]

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Yeah they are you stubby armed freak :D


It's amazing how me and you are close to the same height and I shoot a 28.5" [&:]


Definately get a new set of strings and cables. I noticed quiet a bit of serving seperation on the top cam. I just didn't say anything or forgot to at the time.

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The problem is the form not the draw length,you don't fix form with a draw length change,it might/can help but doesn't fix it.You have the exact same problems with both draw lengths.

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I agree. I think the front shoulder is too "bunched up". It looks like the left shoulder is too high, like you're shrugging with the left side only. You need to get that bow arm extended a little and lower the front shoulder. If you do this the 27.5" might be the right fit.

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It MIGHT even be too short but I am not ready to declare that,check out these pics of a fellow board memebr that I have been attempting to help in pm's.He did give me permission to post them.


Too long?









Too short?




How about this?








Would you believe they are all the same draw length with different shoulder load,arm angle and anchors?

They are the exact same draw length.;)

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To me the shorter one looks better and you look more relaxed.

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so how do i fix the bunched up shoulder?

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First I would stand relaxed and and pay attention to the how the shoulder look and feel,you should have the same posture when you are drawn as you do when you are standing relaxed.


Your shoulder needs to be loaded(bone to bone contact) but just enough so that it doesn't start to work up,just back.

Try and stick your arm out straight and then pull it back into the socket,relax the elbowand get the feel of that and even look at yourself in the mirror while doing this making sure it isn't coming up on you.Make sure you are standing up straight and I personally don't like the chin as low as you have it ,just seems to be uncomfortable and good shooting and comfort go hand in hand.

Just a place to start.

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I think Todd and I are pretty much in agreement on this one... Start with just getting comfortable standing straight up and down first, with your head centered directly above your neck -- and with your neck at a comfortable height, as he pointed out.

I'd use a mirror that was at head-height, too... not sure that headboard mirror on your bed will do you much good. Look at yourself in a mirror facing straight on, and then turn your head to the left, naturally (assuming you're right-handed). With you standing there totally relaxed, straight up-and-down, take a mental snapshot and try to remember how that feels. Try your best to duplicate that in both feel and look when you've got your bow in your hand at full draw.

Again... a place to start, but I too think that will solve some of the things you're seeing.

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I know it dont hapen over night but any better, am i on the right track? I felt like i was leaning foward...

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Atleast you are standing up straight and the feeling of leaning forward is what we all say at first,even I said that.;)


Look how the arm is going downhill from the shoulder.Do what I said about sticking the bow arm out straight as you can(without bow) and then pull the shoulder back into the socket and relax the elbow.Then try to repeat it with the bow drawn.


AND,get a shorter release or shorten the one you have if you can.

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Forget the peep is on the bow for the time being,you will have to move it when your form starts to get lined out.

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I told you you were going to feel like you were leaning forward... :)

And Todd's spot-on with the release comment as well; you need to take a couple inches off the length of that barrel, but I doubt that release has that much adjustability built into it. It'd be great if it did.

Get the shoulder right, keep working on standing up straight as you're doing now, and take up all the excess out of that release (if you look at the last pic of where my hand falls on my release in my d-loop thread in the tech forum, you'll see how much closer you can be), and I bet you'll be able to quit anchoring in mid-air too.

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Ill keep posting as long as yall feel like helping i really appreciate it... \

I shortened the release i felt like i was leaning foward while aiming at the sky[8D]lol

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You look very relaxed in the first of the 2.Actually looks pretty good.

I think you are still using the kisser and peep,forget they are there for now.

The second,you have the shoulder up and not loaded at all from what I can see,just the arm extended.

Now we can start to add a few more changes,your feet look to be too close,they need to be shoulder width for form practice and you seem to be very open.Point the back foot at the camera and if you like the open stance,then pull the front foot back and point it at a slight angle away from the camera.


Go ahead and relax the hand around the grip,do not hang on to or grab the grip,just relax the fingers around it or to the side of it,just get them relaxed.NOT POINTED

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Battery went dead on my camera... Ill keep working and updating. That way when Rob gets down here in person ill have a head start, thanks for the time yall. I appreciate it.

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Are you at the 27 1/2 draw in the last 2 pics?

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yes