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Clue me in...A/C/C's
Ok guys that shoot A/C/C's. I'm seriously considering them for next year. Almost to the point where I know I'll get them.
A few questions though. [ul][*]What size would I need? #65-70lbs 27.5" arrow.[*]How heavy are most of your finished arrow weights, with a 100gr head?[*]How's your FOC with the heavier GPI shaft and a 100gr head?[*]How is the overall durability of the shaft, given the fact it has the aluminum core?[/ul] Thanks in advance ;) |
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ORIGINAL: Matt/TN How is the overall durability of the shaft, given the fact it has the aluminum core? |
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ORIGINAL: MN/Kyle ORIGINAL: Matt/TN How is the overall durability of the shaft, given the fact it has the aluminum core? |
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Matt,
I've been shooting ACC's for the last 4 years and for durability I would say they are no more or less durable than standard carbon shafts. I have bent some, but I believe that had they not bent the carbon would have splintered on a regular carbon shaft. Of course, I have no way of proving this, but I've shot both for a while so I don't think carbon would survive what bent the ACC. I would recommend a 3-49 for your set up, perhaps a 3-60. You're kind of on the line. I was in the same boat and cut an inch off of my arrows so I could use 3-49s. My finished arrows are 371 grains before weighting. That is with arrow wraps, 2" Blazers, Unibushing and G Nock, aluminum inserts, and a 100 grain head. I add weight tubes to get my arrows up around 425 grains. My FOC is around 10-11% and I cut the weight tubes short and leave them in the front of the arrow to help with that a bit. The FOC is not a huge deal to me because I shoot expandables, but I do like to practice longer shots so having it above 10% is good. As far as how I like the arrows, I love them. The only thing that has made me consider changing is the fact that FMJs are heavier and would allow me to not need the weight tubes. I could also use the Smart Tracer nocks in them if I could ever find them again. Right now I doubt I'll change though. |
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ORIGINAL: Matt/TN ORIGINAL: MN/Kyle ORIGINAL: Matt/TN How is the overall durability of the shaft, given the fact it has the aluminum core? |
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ORIGINAL: HuntingBry Matt, I've been shooting ACC's for the last 4 years and for durability I would say they are no more or less durable than standard carbon shafts. I have bent some, but I believe that had they not bent the carbon would have splintered on a regular carbon shaft. Of course, I have no way of proving this, but I've shot both for a while so I don't think carbon would survive what bent the ACC. I would recommend a 3-49 for your set up, perhaps a 3-60. You're kind of on the line. I was in the same boat and cut an inch off of my arrows so I could use 3-49s. My finished arrows are 371 grains before weighting. That is with arrow wraps, 2" Blazers, Unibushing and G Nock, aluminum inserts, and a 100 grain head. I add weight tubes to get my arrows up around 425 grains. My FOC is around 10-11% and I cut the weight tubes short and leave them in the front of the arrow to help with that a bit. The FOC is not a huge deal to me because I shoot expandables, but I do like to practice longer shots so having it above 10% is good. As far as how I like the arrows, I love them. The only thing that has made me consider changing is the fact that FMJs are heavier and would allow me to not need the weight tubes. I could also use the Smart Tracer nocks in them if I could ever find them again. Right now I doubt I'll change though. What size are you shooting Bry, and how long? |
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[ul][*]What size would I need? #65-70lbs 27.5" arrow. [/ul]
I went with the 3-71's......since fps on the shots I take wasn't an issue out of my Ally. I'll shoot 3-71's out of my 8nd, too.....for the same reason. [ul][*]How heavy are most of your finished arrow weights, with a 100gr head? [/ul] My hunting arrow weighs 427gr. [ul][*]How's your FOC with the heavier GPI shaft and a 100gr head? [/ul] Clueless. Over my head. Sorry. [ul][*]How is the overall durability of the shaft, given the fact it has the aluminum core?[/ul] Last year.....in fewer shots at animals.....I broke probably 4-5 shafts. This year....I bent or broke none.;) |
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All of these aluminum/carbon hybrids are quite durable. You probably want the 3-49 (.390 deflection)series for a bow in the mid 60's toupper 60lb.draw weight range, with the shorter 27.5" length. They are rated at 8.8 gpi. - just a tad lighter than the ST Axis.
For a little longer arrow at 70 lbs, or with a 125 grain head, I would go up to the 3-60 (.340 deflection)which is supposed to weigh 9.5 gpi. Finished arrow weight with a 100 gr. head is going to be a little under 400 grains with the 3-49 and a little over with the 3-60. These shafts are really smooth and straight. |
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ACC 3-49's for over 8 years, and off and on prior to that.
27" arrow with 100 grain points and Blazers weigh in 381ish grains depending, mine do. FOC is well above 10% but I'd have to do the math, I have excellent flight, have for years and group mulitiple fixed blade heads. You get away with heavier as Jeff did. Yes, they bend but not very easily. I've shattered more than I've ever seen bent. |
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ORIGINAL: Matt/TN ORIGINAL: HuntingBry Matt, I've been shooting ACC's for the last 4 years and for durability I would say they are no more or less durable than standard carbon shafts. I have bent some, but I believe that had they not bent the carbon would have splintered on a regular carbon shaft. Of course, I have no way of proving this, but I've shot both for a while so I don't think carbon would survive what bent the ACC. I would recommend a 3-49 for your set up, perhaps a 3-60. You're kind of on the line. I was in the same boat and cut an inch off of my arrows so I could use 3-49s. My finished arrows are 371 grains before weighting. That is with arrow wraps, 2" Blazers, Unibushing and G Nock, aluminum inserts, and a 100 grain head. I add weight tubes to get my arrows up around 425 grains. My FOC is around 10-11% and I cut the weight tubes short and leave them in the front of the arrow to help with that a bit. The FOC is not a huge deal to me because I shoot expandables, but I do like to practice longer shots so having it above 10% is good. As far as how I like the arrows, I love them. The only thing that has made me consider changing is the fact that FMJs are heavier and would allow me to not need the weight tubes. I could also use the Smart Tracer nocks in them if I could ever find them again. Right now I doubt I'll change though. What size are you shooting Bry, and how long? I went with the 3-71's......since fps on the shots I take wasn't an issue out of my Ally. I'll shoot 3-71's out of my 8nd, too.....for the same reason. |
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I switched to ACCs this past season with my new Ross, and loved them. Shooting 3-49s 27.5" arrow with 100 grain points and blazers as well. Not to hijack, but how do you calculate FOC?
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27.5"
Like I said.....my setup accomodates this arrow just fine. |
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Thanks guys, the 3-49's seem to fit the bill. Thanks Rob for the numbers, that's pretty close to my setup.
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ORIGINAL: M.Hensler/PA I switched to ACCs this past season with my new Ross, and loved them. Shooting 3-49s 27.5" arrow with 100 grain points and blazers as well. Not to hijack, but how do you calculate FOC? |
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Have you gave the new Gold Tip CAAs a look? They are virtually the same arrow as the ACC but ALOT cheaper. I used these all season last year and didnt have any issues with them. They will be in my quiver again next season. Take a look at em.
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I have been using ACCs for over ten years. I think they are very durable especially when you compare them to thin walled fat aluminum shafts. I shoot 3-60s and 3-49s. My 360s weigh in at 403 grains with feathers and screw-in 100 grain points. I don't use the 3-49s much anymore, previously used them for 3D shoots years back but I just stick with the 3-60s now to keep it simple. However the 3-49s with glue in tips are a lot lighter and shoot about 20 fps faster than the 3-60s.
To calculate FOC measure the total length of your arrow and then mark the center point. Balance your arrow on a straight edge, when you find the point where your arrow balances level mark it. Now measure the distance between the two. Figure the percentage of that distance in respect to the total length of the arrow and that will give you you % FOC. You can use the equation below to figure out FOC (Midpoint of Arrow to Balance Point of Arrow)" X (Total Lenth of Arrow)" =100 |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT 27.5" Like I said.....my setup accomodates this arrow just fine. |
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ORIGINAL: MOmightymite Have you gave the new Gold Tip CAAs a look? They are virtually the same arrow as the ACC but ALOT cheaper. I used these all season last year and didnt have any issues with them. They will be in my quiver again next season. Take a look at em. |
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Good Question Matt..and great answers guys. I too am gonna choose these arrows this year. (me thinks)
Matt and Rob What's your draw length?? |
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ORIGINAL: GR8atta2d Good Question Matt..and great answers guys. I too am gonna choose these arrows this year. (me thinks) Matt and Rob What's your draw length?? |
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Ok thanks... Maybe Rob will chime back in, I think he's short armed like me...
And from what Jeff says Rob has short arms and deep pockets when the lunch bill arrives.. [:-]  kidding of course ;) |
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ORIGINAL: GR8atta2d Ok thanks... Maybe Rob will chime back in, I think he's short armed like me... And from what Jeff says Rob has short arms and deep pockets when the lunch bill arrives.. [:-] kidding of course ;) |
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I have been using the 3-60 for years with 70# 28" Allegiance...great arrows..love em
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matt do you know my draw length too:eek::D...Stalker[8D]
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ORIGINAL: MN/Kyle matt do you know my draw length too:eek::D...Stalker[8D] JK, lol I have no clue. |
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ORIGINAL: Matt/TN ORIGINAL: MN/Kyle matt do you know my draw length too:eek::D...Stalker[8D] JK, lol I have no clue. |
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Go with the 3-49's Keep your FOC up to the proper range and you'll Love'em;)
Dan |
RE: Clue me in...A/C/C's
ORIGINAL: Matt/TN ORIGINAL: M.Hensler/PA I switched to ACCs this past season with my new Ross, and loved them. Shooting 3-49s 27.5" arrow with 100 grain points and blazers as well. Not to hijack, but how do you calculate FOC? |
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I have sevral ACC's that I have been shooting for about4 years now and a few months ago I checked them to see if they are still in factory specs and all were still perfect on spine.
Most all of them didn't even move the indicator when I checked for straightness.A couple did but I think those were the nes that stuck in a log or 2.[8D] |
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ORIGINAL: Rob/PA Bowyer ACC 3-49's for over 8 years, and off and on prior to that. 27" arrow with 100 grain points and Blazers weigh in 381ish grains depending, mine do. FOC is well above 10% but I'd have to do the math, I have excellent flight, have for years and group mulitiple fixed blade heads. You get away with heavier as Jeff did. Yes, they bend but not very easily. I've shattered more than I've ever seen bent. |
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ORIGINAL: GR8atta2d Ok thanks... Maybe Rob will chime back in, I think he's short armed like me... And from what Jeff says Rob has short arms and deep pockets when the lunch bill arrives.. [:-] kidding of course ;) shot them at 29" until I bought my Alli and I'm a 28.5" draw now. The General is the only one in the list that I shoot at 28" and it feels short. I may change that one out to 28.5" too. |
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27" draw, at 70lbs, 27 1/4" acc, and I shoot 3-49/390d. My arrows weigh in around 386 with 100g. heads. Out of my Ally I get about 270fps, out of a 82nd at 70lbs, 27" dl, I got 310fps. One thing though, unless you are pretty well cashed up, you will need to have shot discipline. At 13+ bucks an arrow, minus your BH, you dont want to be flinging these babys at that annoying squirrel anymore.
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I use 3-60's 407 grains with 100 gr. MX-3's with blazers.
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WHo has the best deals on these babies. They can be raw..I can cut and fletch!
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ORIGINAL: GR8atta2d WHo has the best deals on these babies. They can be raw..I can cut and fletch! Dan |
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