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RE: Felons banned from bowhunting?
ORIGINAL: Vabowman Schultzy, you mean guys like Micheal Vick??? HaHa!!:D |
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Can't felons appeal to the state to get their right back?????
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ORIGINAL: BowHuntingFool Can't felons appeal to the state to get their right back????? |
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In MN after a certain amount of time they can and will. I believe it is 7 years.
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We just had a release here, the inmate served two years, was recruited by the Army and had his felony charges dropped.
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ORIGINAL: MarquetteMagnum We just had a release here, the inmate served two years, was recruited by the Army and had his felony charges dropped. |
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I agree, I wish there was a mandatory Service requirment for certain crimes. A Certain type unit even. Just imagine what type ofmentalimpact that would have on the enemy. There are alot of felons in prison that have sentences that are to harsh for their crime. And we the taxpayers pay $30,000 a year per inmate in the Federal system.
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I think we should stop letting the gov. take away rights period. First they will take away rights from the easy targets pretty soon its your right to hunt all together fellons shouldnt be allowed to hunt with a firearm because of the firearm but lets not take away hunting all together for alout of people its the only outlet they have you never know you could find yourself or your child in that spot someday you wanna lose a hunting buddy.
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i believe that the time is served in prison. telling them they can't own a gun is just fine, that is for other peoples safety as well as a cop. think of it this way, do you think that not allowing this person to take a bow and learn to huntand appritiatethe wild is a bad turn in his life. also when is the last time a felonknocked over a gas station with a bow. my friend has 2 more years till he can legally hunt, i believe he already paid his debt in prison and should be able to bow hunt.
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They cannot here in good ol' liberal Massachusetts!
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT I think a lot of you are WAY too quick to judge. That's my opinion. I personally knowthree men who have felony records (that I know of).I have high regards fortwo of them. They made mistakes. They paid for them. It's in the past. They've (2 of 3) gone on to become people I'm proud to call my friend. This makes me less hasty to judge. Well to me there in would be the crime! People are way too Quick to judge others!! I never judge anyone for their color, their social status, their bank account,or their past. If they are straight with me they are Ok in my book!;) Dan |
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ORIGINAL: iamyourhuckleberry In Colorado, felons may hunt with a muzzleloader. A bow is off limits. I'm not sure of any state which completely bans felons from hunting? My two cents... Nebraska almost for certain. Sure you can hunt elsewhere, I'm just saying what isn't right, and it's pretty much agreed upon right now that Utah is the best elk state, so go elsewhere? Sure there are other great elk states, but Utah is just another opportunity lost, and a great one, which shouldn't be. |
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ORIGINAL: iamyourhuckleberry In Colorado, felons may hunt with a muzzleloader. A bow is off limits. I'm not sure of any state which completely bans felons from hunting? My two cents... |
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ORIGINAL: TeeJay Alright these are all great turn around stories. Although hunting is a privlidge (sp) not a right! So what you want is to break all fellonys into catagories so some law breakers can hunt. Im sorry I disagree. I have a uncle that got drunk and beat the snot out of my aunt a year ago. He will never hunt again, he was a big waterfowl hunter. He never comited a crime for his first 55 years of life should he be able tohunt this fall? We're talking about non-violent, and non-weapon related felons. The punishment should fit the crime, this is like if someone was caught speeding, we shouldn't let him vote?The two have nothing to do with one another. Also I thought I'd point out, that you can be convicted, of a lesser crime, maybe you were put up for a felony and had it reduced to manslaughter, etc...misdermenor ? So you can have violenty attacked someone, and still be able to hunt with a gun, own, all legal, yet the non violent non weapon felon can't. Which criminal would you rather be in the woods with? The violent midermenor criminal that can legally hunt with a firearm, or the non-violent, non-weapon related felon, who cannot be in the woods right a firearm? And what about self defense? One a felon is released/served his time, he doesn't have the right to defend his home/family with a firearm? |
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My wife and her shotgun will take care of that!
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Just wanted to say thanks to GMMAT and MarquetteMagnum.
And Arthur P, I don't golf. |
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Crimes fall into two classes: Misdemeanors and felonies. For every action a person decides to do, there is a reaction. You can be convicted of a misdemeanor (domestic abuse) and disqualified from ever owning a firearm again. If you commit a crime that can result in a felony conviction, no matter what the class of felony commited, you are setting yourself up to lose a lot of privileges afforded to us. A bow, no matter how you look at it, is an offensive weapon. If a state takes bows away from convicted felons too, more power to them. If a person is that avid a hunter, they should have thought about the crime they committed a little more thoroughly BEFORE committing it.
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I like how everyone thinks that every felonplanned it out like a burglary. When that's not always the case, ie..the guy with an underage girlf, the guy who got in a fight....and alot of the time people don't even realize how serious some crimes are, or that they may be a crime at all.
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The guy who gets into a fight has to know the possible ramifications if he follows through with the fight instead of walking away. If someone wants to fight that bad, join the military and take the fight to someplace that needs to have an attitude adjustment. I've walked away from barroom brawls many times when I was younger. I have also walked away from people who have tried to pick a fight with me. If the other person provokes and makes it improbable to walk away, then thats self defense.
The other instance you stated, if the guy wants to think with the wrong head, then he gets what he gets. Final line is you have to be responsible for your own actions and accept the consequences if you break the law. |
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AF Hunter, wasn't it you who posted not so long ago that your son hauled off and punched some guy in the face unprovoked and that you were proud of it?
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So I guess people don't deserve second chances?
I'd rather them be in the woods huntingthan out on the street selling crack to my friends, stealing cars, breaking into houses, or killing/raping/etc.etc. At least if they're hunting you could get the idea that they have, or are trying, to turn their lives around. |
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ORIGINAL: sngehl01 So I guess people don't deserve second chances? I'd rather them be in the woods huntingthan out on the street selling crack to my friends, stealing cars, breaking into houses, or killing/raping/etc.etc. At least if they're hunting you could get the idea that they have, or are trying, to turn their lives around. |
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I was originally going to just stay out of this one.
But come on people. We at this forum do not walk a mile in every man or womans shoes. To think that it is just so black and white is absurd. Many many good people get "screwed" by the system. And for every good natured law.. I can tell you of 10 others that are completely ridiculous and out of line. Don't be so quick to judge a person that you do not know. People can fall quickly to the system. Money talks in this world and if you don't have it.. you can be convicted very easily with a felony. That's the plain truth. Now.. by no means does this mean we should just give everyone a second chance. But for the most part.. most people live in the real world.. and in it sh*t happens. But don't pass judgement on this fact.. judge it on the handshake he or she gives. |
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ORIGINAL: txjourneyman I am 46 years old. during my misspent youth, over 20 years ago, I committed a felonious assault. I was convicted, and went to prison. I spent 3 years and 3 months behind bars. I am not the same person today that I was 24 years ago. I don't want anyone's sympathy. If I have to pay for the rest of my life,( and I will), so be it. I made choices back then that have consequences. I can live with them. If that means there are states that will not allow me to bowhunt, fine, I'll take my bow elsewhere. If someday I'm not allowed to hunt at all I will be brokenhearted. However, again, these are consequences of my choices and actions. Here in Tx state law allows me to hunt with a primitive muzzleloader as well as a bow. I know, I know, federal law differs and that is a whole 'nother can of worms I don't care to debate right now. Taking a bow out of the hands of a convicted felon is meaningless in detering future crime. If someone wants to commit an assault or robbery they can do it with a bat or a pipe. They don't need a bow to do it. No one but me assaulted that man all those years ago. I got what I deserved. Prison was the right sentence. Its where I belonged. Today I am a respected, responsible member of society. I am a father and husband. I am an ethical and responsible hunter. I am in a leadership position in my place of employment. None of that changes the past. Some of you may lose respect for for me knowing what you now know about me. That is OK, I will still have my self respect. On the other hand there are people that have never been convicted of a crime, that scare the hell out of me. |
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I have a personal stake in this post, my brother in law is in jail right now. He has been my hunting buddy ever since I have known him. I am hoping that when he gets out he can hunt in the state that we live in at the time. I am hoping at least he can use a bow.
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Complicated, complicated issue. And I will admit to having mixed feelings on the issue.
But I think the answer (as to whether or not felons should be banned from bowhunting) depends on the justification for the ban. In other words, what does the ban allegedly achieve? Does it really deter would-be felons, therefore preventing crime? Does it really make society more safe?If the banprovides some tangible benefit, then I support the idea. If theban doesn't accomplish anything and is simply imposed asan additional form of punishment...thenI would be less likelyto support it. But again, I feel the bottom-line is that the ban is not passed-out at random. By committing a crime, an individual has 'earned' the punishment associated with that crime. All of the punishment. The fine, the time, the loss of the right to vote, purchase a firearm and whatever else comes with it. Are there some caseswhen we really feel sympathetic to the criminal?Of course. Are there someformer criminals thatdeserve to have their rights restored? Of course. ButI think those folks are the exception, not the rule.Maybe for everyperson that deserves to have their rights restored, there might be hundreds, that don't deserve it. Finally,thanks to the folks on here that have shared their stories. |
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One of you fellon backing individules please explain, how is my uncle beating the hell out of his wife different than someone getting in a bar fight or some one robbing a store? Or even some one killing some one while driving under the influence. A fellony is a fellony peroid. I am sorry, you were inocent untill proven guilty. My X cheated on me ten years ago should that be OK and forgiven now? Hell NO!
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I'm gonna continue to judge people on their own merit as I know em. Not what you, a judge, or somebody else tells me what they think. (especially those of you judging people you never met or know NOTHING about. How many of these same folks call themselves Christians I wonder???)
Now a days the kid who took a plastic knife to school to cut his deer steak at lunch is a "violent criminal"... No thanks, I like my system... we can always look at our penal system as well... it is NOT based on rehabilitation. We jail more folks per capita than any other developed nation. Hmm... |
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ORIGINAL: TeeJay One of you fellon backing individules please explain, how is my uncle beating the hell out of his wife different than someone getting in a bar fight or some one robbing a store? Or even some one killing some one while driving under the influence. A fellony is a fellony peroid. I am sorry, you were inocent untill proven guilty. My X cheated on me ten years ago should that be OK and forgiven now? Hell NO! |
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A fellony is a fellony peroid. That's as generalized as saying Janet Reno and Jenny McCarthy are both "women". I know a guy......Good husband (married 40+ years)......Great dad.......people love him. He was thrust into a business that he wasn't prepared to handle. He was convicted of federal tax evasion because he didn't know how to keep his books....and was too scared and intimidated to get help. He jus tthought it would go away. It didn't. He has a felony record. He's one of the most gentle big men I know. He just isn't a very good businessman. He didnt declare bankruptcy.....and he repaid the debt in full. And you think he shouldn't be able to bowhunt (not that he wants to....but his situation is likely not unique). All felonies are NOT violent crimes. All felons are not violent.....even those who have committed violent crimes. |
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Like I said I have never had anything but one, maybe 2 traffic tickets my entire life, but it is Sad to see all the holier than thous on here. I judge a person on how they treat me. I have never nor will I ever judge someone on their color, social status, bank account, and/or past. I think it's Sad if you do, and I see it all the time.
txjourneyman, you are a class guy in my book, and I would gladly share a Hunting Camp or anything else with you anythime:D Dan |
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ORIGINAL: MeanV2 txjourneyman, you are a class guy in my book, and I would gladly share a Hunting Camp or anything else with you anythime:D Dan |
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I have never nor will I ever judge someone on their...past It is easy to side with the individuals that post their stories on an online hunting forum. But are they really representative ofall of the people that have committed felonies? Again,I think they are the exception, not the rule. So far, we are ignoring the possiblity that bans from bowhunting, bans from owning firearms and not allowing felons to vote, etchave some societal benefit. If itdeters crime, is it worthit?Probably. |
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Do you really think banning me from bowhunting, or anyone else for that matter, is going to deter crime?
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txjourneyman, you are a class guy in my book, and I would gladly share a Hunting Camp or anything else with you anythime I know several people who have truly made mistakes in their youth, paid their debt to society and are righteous, stand up people. I think those states where felons are banned from bowhunting should allow people to earn back the privilege when their sentences are complete. However, like I said, some things inspire me to write letters. Some things don't. This is one of those things that doesn't. |
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Arthur I won't write a letter either. I got what I deserved. If that means I pay for it by not bowhunting somewhere, well, thats the dues I owe.
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Do you really think banning me from bowhunting, or anyone else for that matter, is going to deter crime? With others, maybe it does deter crime.Maybe one former felon says "You know what, I've had my rights restored and I am NOT going to commit another crime because I don't want to lose those rights. They areof such great value, that I will not risklosing them again." Repeat crime prevented. Maybe one person onthis hunting board says "You know, just hitting a guy and gettingjail time for assault is some serious crap if I could lose my right tobowhunt. Maybe I should just walk away." New Crime prevented. |
I am a felon
Ok I agree some ppl shouldn't be aloud to use anything u beat ur wife or kill someone or even stab someone u should be stripped of the priv to hunt but for someone like myself that the felony was over seven years ago and to this day I have not even been pulled over by the cops. I completed everything the courts asked of me paid all the fines. And 35 dollars to the p.o for three years I think I have paid my dues and should atleast be able to hunt with a bow I don't think we should be able to hunt trophy. But a cow for meat only no bulls. Bucks stags anything that u can mount or if it has antlers we should not be able to hunt for but for meat alone I messed up and I took responceablity for it and did everything they asked me to do do u still think I should not be able to hunt. For my family
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Would be best to go case by case than draw a single line in the sand. If you were a violent offender why should you have a right to own any weapon. Here in Canada you need a firearm licence, they phone your wife and ask her then they phone and ask any ex wivies you might have to see if she fells threatened with you wanting to own guns. Crossbow pistols are banned in Canada because they can be concelled. There are two many varitables in your question to make a statment whether they should or should not be allowed.
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Being old I know
.....there is no perfection in this life. And with computer technology it's only going to get worse.
Not surprised with any ban has come on bowhunting. Bows are getting a lot faster and more "dangerous", in some 20 years. Glad I avoided doing crimes. Sentences really last forever. |
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