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Does anyony know the outcome????

Second Regular Session
Sixty-sixth General Assembly
STATE OF COLORADO
INTRODUCED
LLS NO. 08-0462.01 Jery Payne HOUSE BILL 08-1096
House Committees Senate Committees
Agriculture, Livestock, & Natural Resources
A BILL FOR AN ACT
101 CONCERNING A PROHIBITION ON THE INTENTIONAL CONFINEMENT OF
102 ANIMALS FOR THE PURPOSE OF HUNTING.
Bill Summary
(Note: This summary applies to this bill as introduced and does not necessarily reflect any amendments that may be subsequently
adopted.)
Prohibits a person from offering another person the opportunity to hunt, wound, or take any mammal that is intentionally confined, tied, staked, caged, or otherwise restrained from engaging in normal movement.
Allows exceptions for slaughtering a mammal for purposes of meat, leather, or fur production or humanely euthanizing a mammal for
health, safety, or scientific purposes. Establishes penalties.

1 Be it enacted by the General Assembly of the State of Colorado:
2 SECTION 1. Article 6 of title 33, Colorado Revised Statutes, is amended BY THE ADDITION OF A NEW SECTION to read:
4 33-6-132. Hunting confined animals - prohibition - exceptions
5 - penalties. (1) IT IS UNLAWFUL FOR A PERSON TO OFFER ANOTHER PERSON THE OPPORTUNITY TO HUNT, WOUND, OR TAKE ANY MAMMALTHAT IS:
8 (a) INTENTIONALLY CONFINED IN AN ENCLOSURE, REGARDLESS OFTHE SIZE OF THE ENCLOSURE; OR
10 (b) INTENTIONALLY TIED, STAKED, CAGED, OR OTHERWISE 11 RESTRAINED FROM ENGAGING IN NORMAL MOVEMENT.
12 (2) NOTWITHSTANDING SUBSECTION (1) OF THIS SECTION, APERSON MAY:
14 (a) TAKE A MAMMAL AT A SLAUGHTERING ESTABLISHMENT FORPURPOSES OF MEAT, LEATHER, OR FUR PRODUCTION; OR
16 (b) HUMANELY EUTHANIZE A MAMMAL FOR HEALTH, SAFETY, ORSCIENTIFIC PURPOSES.
18 (3) ANY PERSON WHO VIOLATES THIS SECTION:(a) WITH RESPECT TO BIG GAME OR ENDANGERED SPECIES, ISGUILTY OF A MISDEMEANOR AND, UPON CONVICTION THEREOF, SHALL BEPUNISHED BY A FINE OF NOT LESS THAN TEN THOUSAND DOLLARS NOR
22 MORE THAN TWENTY-FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS. UPON SUCH CONVICTION,THE COMMISSION MAY SUSPEND ANY OR ALL WILDLIFE LICENSE PRIVILEGESOF THE PERSON FOR A MINIMUM OF ONE YEAR TO LIFE.
25 (b) WITH RESPECT TO ALL OTHER MAMMALS, IS GUILTY OF AMISDEMEANOR AND, UPON CONVICTION THEREOF, SHALL BE PUNISHED BYA FINE OF NOT LESS THAN ONE HUNDRED DOLLARS NOR MORE THAN ONETHOUSAND DOLLARS, AND AN ASSESSMENT OF TWENTY HUNTING LICENSE3 SUSPENSION POINTS.
4 SECTION 2. Safety clause. The general assembly hereby finds,determines, and declares that this act is necessary for the immediatepreservation of the public peace, health, and safety.

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Maybe I'm not reading that right but if I am.....I am all for it.

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I would love to see it, alas , here in Tx. it will never happen.

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Interesting!;)

Dan

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I don't like it. I donot and would not hunt deer on a game ranch, but I think there is a huge difference between fencing in an acre and shooting a deer and having a thousand acres fenced. In NY, the state would be in violation of this law. There is an old Army depot here (Seneca Army Depot) and the state holds a lottery for priviledges to hunt the 10,000+ fenced acres each year. It is home of the largest herd of white deer in the US (Google "seneca white deer"). Funny how the buddies of those running the lottery always seem to get selected. New laws won't change garbage like this.

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So you would ban high fence hunting???

I ask this not as one that has hunted that way, nor would I want to, but I will fight for those that want to hunt that way .....

Am I reading this wrong???

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I do not support high fence hunting.............but this just allows anti-hunters to get onestepcloser to taking away hunting from everyone, fenced or free range.

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Don't think it will pass the way it's written.

I totally agree with this

Prohibits a person from offering another person the opportunity to hunt, wound, or take any mammal that is intentionally confined, tied, staked, caged, or otherwise restrained from engaging in normal movement.

but not this

INTENTIONALLY CONFINED IN AN ENCLOSURE, REGARDLESS OFTHE SIZE OF THE ENCLOSURE; OR

well intentioned law but I don't like the way it's written.

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Be careful what you wish for guys;)

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EXACTLY what I was thinkin', Gary [:o]

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I don't like it, I wouldn't hunt at one ever. I just don't think it is right for the Government to intervene here. This is America and weather we like the idea of hunting fence's or not, It is there land and they pay taxes for it why should they be told they can't use it for said buisness.

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Someone wants to fence in a large property it's not my buisness, I don't like it, wouldn't hunt it, never pay to hunt it but it's their land.

I do have a problem with what was going on where Jimmy houston shot his show where animals were being drugged. I really have a problem with people shooting tame animals or shooting when thay are literally in a cage.

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Another case of the Govt. sticking their nose where it doesn't belong.

Who's the offended party?

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GMMAT, You ever seen video of someone shooting an animal in a cage or a drugged animal or one that staked. People on here talk about disrespecting a deer if you kill it quickly with a shot they don't agree with. This to me is disrespecting an animal and it's wrong.

The worst thing is that there are enough people willing to do it, to keep these places in buisness.

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Charlie.....ever see how your steak gets to your plate?

They are animals......put here on God's earth to feed us. While I'd like to see every one that's killed......killed in a humane and ethical manner......

What's different (in the eyes of the pinheads making the rules) in killing one OUTSIDE that fence? You kill it the same way (hunted in or outside a fence line), ........don't you?

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I'M ALL FOR BANNING HIGH FENCED HUNTING. I READ AN ARTICLE ON DEER RANCHES, IT LOOKED AT DISEASE RATES AMONG DEER IN CAPTIVITY. IT WAS ALARMING HOW HIGH THE RATE OF CWD WAS. THAT MAY NOT SOUND TOO BAD, BUT JUST LOOK AT THE NUMBERS REPORTED ON DEER GETTING OUT INTO THE WILD. IT HAPPENS EVERY DAY. WV IS TRYING TO MAKE FENCES HIGHER TO KEEP THIS FROM HAPPENNING. BUT JUST THINK, ONE STORM AND A TREE HERE AND THERE FALLING AND GUESS WHAT...CWD IN YOUR LOCAL DEER HERDS. CWD CAN GO ON FOR YEARS IN YOUR LOCAL WOODS BEFORE ANYONE NOTICES IT. THE ONLY WAY I WOULD ALLOW HIGH FFENCED HUNTING IS TO SEE: 1. NO LEGAL SELLS OF LIVE ANIMALS ACROSS STATED LINES,2. TESTING OF EVERY SINGLE DEER FOR DISEASE, IF FOUND THE RANCHER SHOULD BE CLOSED. WHY CLOSED YOU MIGHT ASK... SOME STUDIES ON CWD HAVE SHOWED IT IS MORE DANGEROUS ONCE IT IS IN CLAY. MAKING IT EASIER TO CATCH.

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I don't think someone shooting a tiger while it's in a 4x8 cage or someone shooting an animal that has to be propped up has anything to do with hunting.

see above and you tell me.

Obviosly you didn't read what I said or it didn't sink in.

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Wow this is a tough one. I need to do a little thinking about this one, touchy subject indeed.

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Didn't realize over 20 states already have rules against canned hunting.

To clarify, I am talking about places that buy animals from zoo's release them in a small enclosure so some jerk can get a trophy, if anyone can tell me that's hunting then we are doomed.

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Agreed!

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You trying to tell me the guy paying someone to shoot their breeder buck that's past his prime is doing it for the meat? Seriously your not right?

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If its interpreted to mean confined within pen, caged, or staked so that it cannot escape I am for that. A few years ago Indiana got rid of the same. I am not for banning high fenced hunting as long as the animal can escape as in many many acres.

Doesn't matter much to me, Colorado is one of the best managed states when it comes to game animals. The Colorado DOW pretty well knows they are doing.

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WV ....do you have proof of this? I'm not arguing, but I am curious as to your source .....

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Coug ... which one is it ... this post, or your last?

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any hunter that's doesn't want a guarentee and has some self respect.

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After rereading it carefully, it really doesn't matter to me. Partially because it involves Colorado and I doubt there are many if any high fenced operations in Colorado. Personally I'd like to see it stay that way.. .....no high fence.

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Same here, we're trying to stamp out that cancer in our state right now. It isn't about antis, although they support it too, it's about common decency and ethically taking game. If the animal has a fair chance that's hunting, tying one to a fence and blasting it from a few yards as happened in the infamous Bellar case here is definitely not. I cannot and never will support that kind of "sport", it's repulsive , reprehensible, and reflects badly on the rest of us.

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Yeah, I would say; this is where it all starts…

But it started a long time ago, and this is just the next progressive step… I wonder what the next one will be?

There's an Army base near me called Fort AP Hill. It has around 87,000 acres and has a hunting program. But since it is fenced...

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I think there are a couple of reasons why this is a bad law.

1) It said no hunting in ANY fenced enclosure....for those of you who hunt on cattle farms, are you willing to give up hunting in those areas because those are definitely fenced.

2) Who is the authority that decides that an area is considered "fenced"?

Those two reasons above are very important.

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Hard to have a discussion.....when everything you say is taken out of context.

Peace.;)

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I think the problem with this bill, is that like most, it is filled with propaganda to exploit the public and sway a vote from uninformed voters.

I think we’d all agree that shooting an animal in a cage isn’t hunting. But where do you draw the line on size of property that is fenced? And how do you define fenced? Three strands of barbed wire with openings? Three strands of barbed wire with no openings? 4’ chain link? 6’ chain link? 8’ chain link? 8’chain link with three strands of barbed wire? White picket fence?

As posted above, Fort AP Hill has 87,000 acres. I haven’t hunted there but I’ve driven past two sides of it (route 17 & route 2) and they both have 8’ high chain link fence with barbed wire on top. Given the size of the property, I wouldn’t call it canned hunting. But some of you may…
Maybe I should join next year… only $50!

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Truth

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preacher tony..give alittle time and i will post links. i read most of it a while ago. but the disease rates, i think came out of F&S.

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WV ... that right there would be a GREAT arguement againsthigh fenced hunting .....IMO, it would be the ONLY arguement....and again, I would not and have not hunted that way .... but to each his own...

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I just wanted to post these on the original thread ..... I am having a hard time seeing where high fences CAUSE CWD in these articles ..... but I'm still looking ...

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Is there such a thing as Low Fence Hunting?? Do they put Chicken wire up around some places?

Ryan.

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Ryan ...... what's your point?:eek:

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I never said CWD was caused by high fence hunting, it just increasesthe spread across states faster from the selling of untested infected animals. The one article refers to Canada'sElk herd, and how after an investigation, thesource of the CWD outbreak in that particular area was from infected animals from the US that were shipped to theElk ranch.

The more recent one Ipostedfrom Field and Stream has very good information in it that's worth reading.

Earlier I stated I would try to find the articles I was referring to, but was unable to find the original ones, but found similar that may be of interest. As I said before, it has been quite some time since I read them.

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WV .... very interesting stuff, and your right about that Field and Stream article http://fieldandstream.blogs.com/news/2007/05/special_feature.html ......kinda scary ....Onieda county is only 3 hours or so from me ..... I think it's real close to Atlas??