RE: Does taking a P&Y equal hunter ability?
 

You have to be able to hunt where they are located. I can tell you there are NO P&Y buck on my property. If an awesome hunter sets up a stand in Central Park, he isn't gonna shoot a P&Y. If a casual hunter sets up in a prime spot in Wisconsin, he has a fair chance of shooting one. I certainly believe you have to be a good hunter to consistently shoot one, but you also have to be in the right place and I don't just mean where you choose to put your stand, but ability to hunt good lots.

RE: Does taking a P&Y equal hunter ability?
 

I'm thinking of some of the folks I know who have taken P&Y/B&C animals. They tend to fall into one of three categories:

1. They are regular working folks who use their vacation time to hunt, and prepare for that hunt all year. They do it with skill, and usually also have a good place to hunt: either one they won't tell anyone about, or some family property that is exclusive.

2. They have money and time to burn.

3. They have the kind of natural luck that everyone dreams about.

RE: Does taking a P&Y equal hunter ability?
 

4. And I have a nice house and a pretty wife too.

RE: Does taking a P&Y equal hunter ability?
 

:):D

RE: Does taking a P&Y equal hunter ability?
 

Nope, a PY sure doesnt, look at how many hunters have killed spoon fed critters that make PY. Has nothing to do with skill other than shooting skills.

on the other hand... (EDIT HERE) I feel anyone thats taking the oldest bucks in their woods ..those rare bucks.. consistently, they obviously have it figured out.. I'mnot talking about bucks off my uncles 58,000 acre ranch in Montana either that 12 paid guys a year get to hunt exclusively.. you all know whatI mean..

All this to say.. if your consistently knocking the best in your pressured woods down with a bow ... Your doing something right.. the antler score is a byproduct of location, feed, genetics and age... peace/out ;)

RE: Does taking a P&Y equal hunter ability?
 

I think that in respect to this thread, deer hunting could be compared to athletic sports or performing arts such as music and acting: for every star or professional or successful trophy hunter, there are hundreds of others out there with equal tools or skills. The variables are:1. (desire / drive / motivation), 2. (opportunity / circumstances / location), and finally, 3. (luck / breaks).

To answer your original question, no. Many people take P&Y's that don't earn them. What if you pay say $5000 for a guided hunt? Ok, fair chase, etc, but at the beginning of the day your guide places you ina tree stand, you shoot a P&Y, using your $1000 rig that is much like shooting a gun, what does that say about your skill?

On the other hand you have guys like me, bowhunted for 30+ years, school of hard knocks, could say I've paid my dues, could say I'm knowledgeable and skilled, never took a P&Y, only had a very few dicey chances.

RE: Does taking a P&Y equal hunter ability?
 

I'm not sure who said this first but I stiil love the quote:

The harder I work,the luckier I get!

So, I guess it's all about luck!

RE: Does taking a P&Y equal hunter ability?
 

Are you purposely misunderstanding the questions? That is not at allwhat I asked. What I asked was in plain English, not whether or not you thought hunter ability coincided with location.


and then you just proceed to quote someone else as an answer for my question? You know, It doesn't make for good discussion if I keep having to ask you to answer questions I asked one or two posts ago. Nevermind that though 'cause it's not important anymore. What's important specifically here nowis what you totally avoided in the second half of my post on page 5 of this thread. (post #50 to be precise)


No, I don't have a problem with what Atlas said. -or- him -or- you if that's what you're getting at.Atlasisn't part of the discussion I'm trying to have with you. What I disagree with is the audacity in your ability to judge other people's ability, especially that of some vets.

I think I see what you're doing... It's not that you have a comprehension problem, it'sthat you don't have onebut are trying to avoid the issue addressed by doing a dance of distraction. CLASSIC!!! Hey, as you said to Fraley...

"Since we're abandoning reality......I guess the discussion's over." ;)

RE: Does taking a P&Y equal hunter ability?
 

i think that about 75% of the hunters that kill P&Y bucks harvest the deer because of skill, but the other 25% are either just plain ole lucky or loaded.

RE: Does taking a P&Y equal hunter ability?
 

If you'll show me where I said that.....I'll apologize....because it was never my intention. In the location thread.....I simply said a hunter is more likely to kill big deer....if he lives where a lot of big deer live.

Nothing more.