Magnus Stinger and poor blood trails?
 

i was thinking about trying the magnus buzz cuts, but i did a search and found out that a lot of people said that magnus stingers/buzz cuts leave poor blood trails.

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I didn't vote and have never tried them.

I've come to the conclusion that most modern day broadheads will do the job and that those who say a broadhead didn't do the job are wrong. In most cases its not the broadhead, but the archer who didn't put the head in the right place.

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thats very true, but i read about 50 posts that said they leave poor blood trails. someone out of the 50 had to make a good shot.if like 50/50 what people say about the blood trails.

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I shot a buck and a doe with them this year, both deer fell within 50 yds so i didnt really need a blood trail but there definitly was one for each. I've used them for 4 years now and dont see myself changing anytime soon. I've also heard other people saying that they leave poor blood trails so it is possible.
*** i shoot the regular 2 blade stingers, not buzzcuts***

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I didn't vote... but I wouldn't buy them for myself. I just don't like serated type heads.

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This was my first year using the Magnus Stingers and I took 3 deer and an elk with them. I absolutely love them. I've never had a broadhead fly better out of my bow and arrow combination than the magnus, heck sometimes I even thought they flew better than my field tips. The penetration was great. All pass throughs without any question, just blew through each animal including 40 yards at the elk. All animals were dead with 75 yards. Tough, ribs and shoulders and they came out without a scratch and they resharpen so easily.

And yes, damn poor blood trails. I know that shot location has everything to do with blood trails but a couple of these were heart shots with low exits and I've been around enough to know I should have had an awesome blood trail and didnt. SO I am torn, I love absolutely everything about them except the trails, but sooner or later you will make a marginal shot and a good blood trail will be a must to finding that animal and thats what scares me.

I emailed the owner of the company about my concerns and asked for his advice on which head HE would choose between the Stinger, the Buzzcut, and the Snuffer SS, and he replied that hands down no question, he would choose the buzzcut for accuracy, toughness, penetration AND bloodtrails. I will be trying the Buzzcut next year.

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The two most important factors of whether or not a broadhead will leave a blood trail is blade sharpness and shot placement. The latter having more of an impact.

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Ditto~~

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I will third that notion. Having a serrated head goes against the hole point behind having razor sharp broad heads. The sharper the blade the more it will bleed, and the cleaner it will heal if you make a bad shot.

Serrated heads will promote faster blood clotting because it is more of a tearing cut than a clean slice. They also cut down on penetration in my opinion.

Paul

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A good shot with BH brand X kills the deer and leaves a nice trail

A poor shot with BH brand X might kill the deer, will leave a poor trail

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I've shot four deer with my longbowusing 150 stingers and have had great bloodtrails.

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Magnus does make a heck of a BH, no dought about it! Try shooting the Magnus 3 blade snuffer once Craig if your looking to try something else, there a great BH and as you know there also made by Magnus. My blood trails are outstanding! I seen what you said about your blood trails so I thought I'd throw you another option. Have a good one!

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I didn't, nor won't, use serrated heads, but I used the regular stingers and was VERY happy w/ the blood trails.

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They leave GREAT blood trails and nice big holes............excellent broadheads.


Some examples of what they do.

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My dad uses the huge 4 blade magnus heads with his recurve bow and he gets awesome blood trails.

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Double this for me as well, what he said.

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Never used the buzz cut, but a few years ago I used a Magnus 2 blade Nugent blade and shot a nice 11 pointer right below me. I see him take off with the arrow sticking out of his chest about 6 inches and I had a blood trail you could follow in the dark as fast as you could walk, he went 45 yards. Ishot him about 15 minutes left of legal shooting light.

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I agree with what Paul said 100%!!!!!!!!!

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Make no mistake about it.............there is nothing "torn" by a buzzcutt. The serrated blades are scalpel sharp as is a magnus trademark.

I have tracked and butchered deer killed by serrated buzzcutts and serrated SteelForce heads...........tremendous damage with big holes and lots of blood.


The cutting power of these heads is amazing..........I shoot about 275fps with a medium weight arrow and my arrows are in the ground about 4-6 inches after they blow through the deer. I have little doubt that I could drop to a 50lb draw and get an easy pass through.

My buddy shoots about 200 fps at 55 lbs and he gets pass throughs on his shots with these heads.


They fly like darts as well............mine are accurate out to 40 yards (maybe more but only shoot 40 in my yard).


I also used the aftershock maniacs this year and they were GREAT as well.


So many good heads out there today............Magnus is at the top of that list though for me.

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I can testify to flying like darts ....... one of the most well balanced heads out there

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Agreed. I was hitting a 2" square at 70 yards with mine, they fly perfectly.

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On another board the guys from Magnus answered alot of questions concernign the Buzzcut. Some challeneged that the serated blade only works on a push/pull principal, similiar to a steak knife and that you will lose penetration, you will fill your serations with fat, gristle, etc and that you will get quicker clotting.

I dont claim to know much about or anything aboutthe different types of serations but they said they tried two or three different serations with very poor success do to the above reasons until trying a Chisel type seration which is what they now use on the Buzzcut and is what the Owner and the Main engineer now use as their broadhead of choice.I have asked him directly and he has said the buzzcut is his head of choice and is what he recommended to me. All of their other products I have used have been nothing short of great in almost all aspects, so it would seem odd the owner would push this head and put his reputation and customers on the line if the seration is indeed a major drawback when he could instead push his already proven heads. I'm convinced enough to give it a go next year.

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I shota 300 pounder at 12 yards in Illinois with the 2 bladed Magnus Nugent blade and the deer went 20 yards. Blood everywhere from this pass through shot.

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Bloood trials are a result of a lot of different elements. Shot angle, blade sharpness, location of the hit, exit wound location etc. As a rule stingers leave excellent blood trails with good hits.

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Vessel and tissue trauma are decreased the sharper the cutting tool is...........there is less of a vasospastic response from the body and the blood just flows. A surgeon's scalpel is that sharp for a reason.........to minimize tissue trauma caused by their cuts. A cut bleeds much more then a rip or tear.........the less the brain detects the damage the more the blood will flow.

Will any of us EVER notice this difference via a blood trail??........HIGHLY doubtful. After all the blood trail is so subjective that little to no correlation could even be made to the above. Every blood trail depends more on the shot then the head IMO.........a double lung hit will look so much different then a clipped lung with liver........and if a pass through is not accomplished then the whole story changes.

What do we REALLY want a head to do???...........drop the deer in as short amount of time as possible with evidence for us to locate that animal. The most important aspects to obtain this goal IMO have just about nothing to do with a serrated edge and everything to do with accuracy and sharpness. If you can hit a deer where you are supposed to and your head is sharp enough then the rest will fall into place. I have NEVER heard someone say that they had a double lung passthrough and the head didn't cut well enough to kill or leave enough sign to follow.

The blood you see on the ground is a DIRECT result of where you put that arrow.......not the edge of your BH.

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This statement is 100% true. I would add to that though, that sharpness DOES play into that as well, especially as the deer gets farther from the scene of the crime. As atlas stated, a sharp blade will cause more bleeding. A dull blade "tears" and leaves a rough edge on the vane/artery for the plateletts to grab hold of, causing quicker clotting, hence.....Less blood on the ground. A good, sharp blade will leave a very clean cut, nothing for the platletts to grab hold of, less clotting, more bleeding. At least, I think the plateletts are responsible for clotting, I may be wrong on that part, but the rest is accurate.

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mobow.........you got the right idea. I just don't see it as applying to blood trails(on good hits)...........lung tissue is notgonna clot any time soon (on a good hit)........a MAJOR vessel is not gonna clot any time soon (on a good hit). If you clip a major vessel leaving the heart I don't care if you chewed it off that deer is dead........no clot will ever save him. Now if we aretalking about peripheral vessels or tissue/muscle damage then certainly it applies.

If a head is sharp enough to go all the way througha deer then it did pleanty of damage to kill it (on a good hit).


On a marginal/bad hit then you may see blood longer but even that is subjective depending on what you hit and where on the deer the hole is...........fat and guts canplug a hole and cause almost no blood trail even if he is gushing inside. I shot a buck high in the shoulder right through the middle of the heart and had almost no blood because it didn't pass through............that casesharpness hurt me with no pass through but by no meansdid it not cut enough to kill quick.


In other words...............we agree ;)