Ooh, that's gotta hurt! And what to do about it.
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In today's Toronto star there is a picture of a deer shot in the face from below one eye to and exit wound apparently on the transverse neck. The arrow remains in place, with the fletch in front of its face, and the BH over it's shoulder. The deer is, amazingly, described as doing well. The arrow appears to be a crossbow bolt. This is out of season, though CBs are legal in season.
The item is presented almost as a sort of joke, entitled Oh Deer. At least it isn't presented as an anti-hunting piece, but it is a dramatic photo.
What should bowhunters do about it:
Try to ban crossbows;
Place a reward for information leading to conviction;
try to help with rescue efforts;
Try to have it destroyed
try to answer issues this picture may generate by letters or something;
Do nothing.
I am mostly in the do nothing camp, but I imagine this kind of thing may have occured elsewhere, and I am interested in how it has been dealt with.
The item is presented almost as a sort of joke, entitled Oh Deer. At least it isn't presented as an anti-hunting piece, but it is a dramatic photo.
What should bowhunters do about it:
Try to ban crossbows;
Place a reward for information leading to conviction;
try to help with rescue efforts;
Try to have it destroyed
try to answer issues this picture may generate by letters or something;
Do nothing.
I am mostly in the do nothing camp, but I imagine this kind of thing may have occured elsewhere, and I am interested in how it has been dealt with.
#3
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From: bensalem pa USA
Ouch that hurts bowhunting! In my opinion helping with the rescue or catching who ever did out of season. Try to put some kind of good spin on it for bowhunters.
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I can't really. I tried to get the photo from their site, but it isn't the most generous in the world. Maybe someone more knowledgeable about searches would do better. This is the paper:
http://torontostar.com/NASApp/cs/Con...d=968332188492
This is the photo service:
http://www.cp.org/
It was page A2 of the Toronto Star, in a section of small stories called Good Reads.
It is the most amazing picture. How this deer has a windpipe, I don't know.
I am proven to have zero ability to mount pictures to this site, but if anyone wants to I could probably email a copy to them, if I can get my digital camera working.
http://torontostar.com/NASApp/cs/Con...d=968332188492
This is the photo service:
http://www.cp.org/
It was page A2 of the Toronto Star, in a section of small stories called Good Reads.
It is the most amazing picture. How this deer has a windpipe, I don't know.
I am proven to have zero ability to mount pictures to this site, but if anyone wants to I could probably email a copy to them, if I can get my digital camera working.
#5
Nontypical Buck
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From: Fairbanks, Alaska
I'd like to see the DNR or FIsh and Wildlife put out a reward to try and find the people that illegally shot the deer. They are the biggest black eye to hunters out there, and do far more damage than anti hunters in my opinion.
I'd also like to see the link to the article.
Last year we saw a caribou that was shot from over 80 yards. The arrow hit the bull right above the eye, and the caribou finally expired after they pushed it for over 2 hours. They told the story to us like they were proud of it. <img src=icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle>
ArcticBowMan's Hunting Photo's
I'd also like to see the link to the article.
Last year we saw a caribou that was shot from over 80 yards. The arrow hit the bull right above the eye, and the caribou finally expired after they pushed it for over 2 hours. They told the story to us like they were proud of it. <img src=icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle>
ArcticBowMan's Hunting Photo's
#6
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From: Acworth GA USA
Put some distance between law abiding hunters and the poachers.
#2 and #3 are the only 2 choices from your lists.
Jim
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#2 and #3 are the only 2 choices from your lists.
Jim
Visit me on the Web...
http://www.huntinginga.com
#8
Nontypical Buck
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From: Gleason, TN
I saw on tv a few months back about a young kangaroo in austrailia that had a crossbow bolt through it's neck. It was hopping thorugh some town. The bolt had a field tip on it. I think they got the bolt out though.
"Hey ya'll, watch this"
"Hey ya'll, watch this"
#10
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From: Peterstown WV USA
I did find this on it but no pic,
Oakville vet hopes to pull arrow from deer
Wants to tranquilize doe for procedure Ministry official has doubts about plan
TONY FITZGERALD
TORSTAR NEWS SERVICE
ANCASTER—A renowned Oakville veterinarian wants to save a doe shot through the head with an arrow.
But the Ministry of Natural Resources says the operation would be too stressful and the deer should be put down.
Dr. Wolfgang Zenker, who operates the Burloak Animal Clinic, wants to try to tranquilize the deer, then remove the arrow.
He is widely known for his expertise with large animals. He has treated other deer, buffalo calves and has a tiger scheduled to visit his Lakeshore Rd. hospital next week.
"I'm hoping, if I can get close enough and the deer is quiet enough, to hit it with a dart and tranquilize it," said Zenker.
"All I have to do then is cut the back part of the shaft off and pull the rest of the arrow through." Ancaster resident Julie MacBournie spotted the deer Monday evening.
The deer had wandered in and out of her backyard for two days. "She was eating and drinking. She seemed fine."
Julie's husband Vic called the Metro Toronto Zoo seeking advice.
The zoo referred him to Zenker.
Zenker plans to travel to Ancaster, near Dundas Valley Conservation Area, with his blowgun tomorrow or Saturday.
The blowgun is similar to those used by South American aboriginals.
"I'm confident we can help," Zenker said. "The hardest part is going to be getting the dart in and making sure it doesn't run away before the tranquilizer takes effect.
"If it doesn't go too far and we can follow it and I can get there, then I can use a reversal agent to reverse the tranquilizer and it should be okay."
But Bill Murch, from the ministry isn't so sure.
He says the veterinarian could be authorized by the ministry to render emergency assistance but some details must be worked out before any rescue attempt is made.
"There is a fair degree of risk associated with that (tranquilizing rescue)," Murch said.
The animal has stress from the injury it sustained. People around it add stress and tranquilizing adds further stress. There are considerable risks associated with the plan.
"If we do go ahead with this, we don't want it turned into a media event," said Murch. "The animal is under enough stress already. "
Murch said the deer is likely to die of infection, caused by the arrow, and it should be put down.
Zenker disagrees.
"I've seen some pretty horrendous injuries to deer and they heal well," he said.
"Deer have a very good immune system, so I don't think it's infected.
``If we're able to get a hand on it and pull the arrow through, we might have time to give it antibiotics."
He said the arrow obviously didn't hit an artery. The season for archers to hunt deer ended Dec. 31.
Oakville vet hopes to pull arrow from deer
Wants to tranquilize doe for procedure Ministry official has doubts about plan
TONY FITZGERALD
TORSTAR NEWS SERVICE
ANCASTER—A renowned Oakville veterinarian wants to save a doe shot through the head with an arrow.
But the Ministry of Natural Resources says the operation would be too stressful and the deer should be put down.
Dr. Wolfgang Zenker, who operates the Burloak Animal Clinic, wants to try to tranquilize the deer, then remove the arrow.
He is widely known for his expertise with large animals. He has treated other deer, buffalo calves and has a tiger scheduled to visit his Lakeshore Rd. hospital next week.
"I'm hoping, if I can get close enough and the deer is quiet enough, to hit it with a dart and tranquilize it," said Zenker.
"All I have to do then is cut the back part of the shaft off and pull the rest of the arrow through." Ancaster resident Julie MacBournie spotted the deer Monday evening.
The deer had wandered in and out of her backyard for two days. "She was eating and drinking. She seemed fine."
Julie's husband Vic called the Metro Toronto Zoo seeking advice.
The zoo referred him to Zenker.
Zenker plans to travel to Ancaster, near Dundas Valley Conservation Area, with his blowgun tomorrow or Saturday.
The blowgun is similar to those used by South American aboriginals.
"I'm confident we can help," Zenker said. "The hardest part is going to be getting the dart in and making sure it doesn't run away before the tranquilizer takes effect.
"If it doesn't go too far and we can follow it and I can get there, then I can use a reversal agent to reverse the tranquilizer and it should be okay."
But Bill Murch, from the ministry isn't so sure.
He says the veterinarian could be authorized by the ministry to render emergency assistance but some details must be worked out before any rescue attempt is made.
"There is a fair degree of risk associated with that (tranquilizing rescue)," Murch said.
The animal has stress from the injury it sustained. People around it add stress and tranquilizing adds further stress. There are considerable risks associated with the plan.
"If we do go ahead with this, we don't want it turned into a media event," said Murch. "The animal is under enough stress already. "
Murch said the deer is likely to die of infection, caused by the arrow, and it should be put down.
Zenker disagrees.
"I've seen some pretty horrendous injuries to deer and they heal well," he said.
"Deer have a very good immune system, so I don't think it's infected.
``If we're able to get a hand on it and pull the arrow through, we might have time to give it antibiotics."
He said the arrow obviously didn't hit an artery. The season for archers to hunt deer ended Dec. 31.


