RE: Measuring a rack at home. Second and final part of series.(lot's of pics)
 

Here is the official tape right here, yes its a 1/4" wide tape...

RE: Measuring a rack at home. Second and final part of series.(lot's of pics)
 

Do you have the steel cable as well?

It works real nice for the main beam measurements..... Much better than the 1/4" tape.

RE: Measuring a rack at home. Second and final part of series.(lot's of pics)
 

Yep, they work very well! Been looking for it all day and can't find it! I'm good at hiding things from myself sometimes!

RE: Measuring a rack at home. Second and final part of series.(lot's of pics)
 

All this coming from the guy that submitted an odd score for a deer he shot years ago!![8D];) Sorry bud, somebody had to jab you!!

On a side note...if you don't have either tape at home, we will sometimes substitute a string and then measure it out on a regular tape.

RE: Measuring a rack at home. Second and final part of series.(lot's of pics)
 

Bicycle brake cable works well also.

RE: Measuring a rack at home. Second and final part of series.(lot's of pics)
 

Yep....got a few of them. I use an aligator clip to mark the spot on the cable that needs to be measured.

RE: Measuring a rack at home. Second and final part of series.(lot's of pics)
 

The only thing odd about it was my measurement was1 inchon the light side of the official measurement. ;)

Maybe I should have posted this back then so those who were uneducated with the scoring process wouldn't have had any questions. :D

We???? Come on..... When was the last time you shot a whitetail..... With antlers [8D]You must be talking about road kill or sheds :D;)

RE: Measuring a rack at home. Second and final part of series.(lot's of pics)
 

Sorry if I missed this somewhere in these 5 pages but how would you measure h3 and h4 for a 6 pointer? I'm guessing you take thesection of the main beam between h2 and the end of the main beam then make 2 mass measurements equally spaced apart in that run?

While were at it, just for sh**s and giggles, how would you make mass measurements for a 4 and a spike as you mentioned in PM?

btw- thanks again for the PM help. I did get 123 as well after you pinpointed my mistake. Oh, I was so giddy or "trigger happy" with this new found info that I measured my other buck too.

RE: Measuring a rack at home. Second and final part of series.(lot's of pics)
 

Ona 6 point you would use the H3 measurement as your h4 measurement as well.....May sound odd, but is the correct way to do it...

I have never looked into this... If I had to GUESS I would think you would go half way between the burr and the end of the main beam and use that circumference as H1-H4. Again this is only a guess.

No problem. Glad to have helped. [8D]

RE: Measuring a rack at home. Second and final part of series.(lot's of pics)
 

I always thought that you measured equal distances for the length of a spike.

For a 6 pointer you would measure the length of the beam from the center line of the g-2 to the end of the main beam and mark equal distances from the center line of the g-2 towards the tip for the h-3and that distance again towards the tip fir the h-4.

example: center of g-2 to the tip = 6"
h-3 taken 2" from the center of the g-2
h-4 taken 2" from the h-3

That way your h-3 and h-4 would be taken evenly along that 6". (2+2+2=6)

I know for 8 pointers the h-4 is taken at half way between the center line of the g-3 and the tip of the main beam.

Maybe I'm wrong but I'll ask when I get mine scored in a couple of weeks.

RE: Measuring a rack at home. Second and final part of series.(lot's of pics)
 

I do know that this is incorrect.....

There is two ways to measure a 3X3 and it all depends if it has brow tines or not....

If it has brow tines you measure H1-H3 the same as always and then use your H3 measurement as your H4 as well.


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RE: Measuring a rack at home. Second and final part of series.(lot's of pics)
 

Did you get this from a P&Y scoring manual?

Like I said, I'll look when I get mine scored.

RE: Measuring a rack at home. Second and final part of series.(lot's of pics)
 

Where I explained if no brow tine is present, it is even statedon the downloadable PDF score sheet for whitetail from P&Y.

As for using the H3as the H4 as well on a 6 point rack with brow tines, my P&Y measurer is whoprovided me with that information.




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RE: Measuring a rack at home. Second and final part of series.(lot's of pics)
 

I actually have friends that shoot bucks and I usually help them out. That is usually the only time that I get my hands on any antlers...when I am dragging their's out!! But thanks for rubbing it in...as if my buddies don't do it enough!;)

RE: Measuring a rack at home. Second and final part of series.(lot's of pics)
 

You had asked weather this was an abnormal point or not? What I told you was correct. It is not an abnormal point. I talked with my P@Y measurer today when he scored my buck and by no means is that an abnormal point, I showed him the picture.

RE: Measuring a rack at home. Second and final part of series.(lot's of pics)
 

Steve,

Did you show him the pic of the tine from the other side of the mainbeam? If you look at it from the back, it does not come off the beam like a g# would.

I also have a stinking suspicion that if we asked 10 different P&Y scorers we would get 50/50 on the answer.

RE: Measuring a rack at home. Second and final part of series.(lot's of pics)
 

I showed him all the pics you had on here (3 I think)? I know he's right if it comes straight off of the beam. But if it comes off at an angle like your thinking, you are probably right.

RE: Measuring a rack at home. Second and final part of series.(lot's of pics)
 

I found my P&Y "hunters guide" the yesterdayand what I listed is the correct way to measure the circumference measurements on racks of these configurations.

There is no mention however on a spike..... If you would out of curiosity, could you still ask your official measurer the proper procedure for a spike?
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RE: Measuring a rack at home. Second and final part of series.(lot's of pics)
 

I won't be seeing him for about 5 more days, but when I do, I'll ask him about everything we've discussed.

RE: Measuring a rack at home. Second and final part of series.(lot's of pics)
 

Let us know what your buck scores. He sure is nice!

RE: Measuring a rack at home. Second and final part of series.(lot's of pics)
 

I got back from getting my deer scored tonight and asked the scorer these same questions.

For a 6 pointer with brow tines, Buckeye is right.

For a 6 pointer without brow tines I was told H-1 is between the burr and the first point (smallest measurement), H-2 is taken between the first and second point and the H-3 and H-4 are taken half the distance from the last point to the tip of the main beam.

As someone mentioned before, a spike has all 4 measurements taken in the center of the spike.

RE: Measuring a rack at home. Second and final part of series.(lot's of pics)
 

I am not saying your official measurer is "wrong" I am just saying that my P&Y guide to scoring whitetail deer says differently.....

It says, and I am quoting directly from the P&Y publication. "If the brow tine is completely missing, the circumference is taken at the smallest place between the burr and the normal second point, G2 and recorded for bothH-1 and H-2......

I looked and looked for this book over the past years and could never find it until just the other day.... I was looking for old tax stuff in the filing cabinet and I found it in the filingcabinet???? I have no idea how it got in there???? [&:]

That was me who guessed on how to scorea spikes H measurements.... Not to bad a guess :DIt has no refrence in my book to this.....
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RE: Measuring a rack at home. Second and final part of series.(lot's of pics)
 

Great explanation!

RE: Measuring a rack at home. Second and final part of series.(lot's of pics)
 

Thanks for this thread!!! Very informative.

You do know that 4/8 is the same as 1/2 right? lol

RE: Measuring a rack at home. Second and final part of series.(lot's of pics)
 

deer are measured in 8ths.

Have you ever heard 152 1/2'':D

RE: Measuring a rack at home. Second and final part of series.(lot's of pics)
 

so why did he say to round off 3/16 to 1/4 and not to 2/8?[&:]

RE: Measuring a rack at home. Second and final part of series.(lot's of pics)
 

If you measure in 1/8ths there'd be no reason to "round off".

RE: Measuring a rack at home. Second and final part of series.(lot's of pics)
 

I don't care how you do it:D

The score sheet has 8ths on it:D

RE: Measuring a rack at home. Second and final part of series.(lot's of pics)
 

I guess I'm still a little confused. So that buck has four different measurement classifications?

And let's look at my buck in the pic below....he could be considered typical gross or typical net but nothing else, correct?



I'm gonna rescore all three of my previous bucks this evening.[&:]

RE: Measuring a rack at home. Second and final part of series.(lot's of pics)
 

That buck is definitely a typical buck. His typical GROSS score is all the inches total. His typical NET score takes a deduction for the differences in the 2 sides. Say he was 60" on the left and 58" on the right, with a 15" spread. His GROSS score would be 133". His NET would be 131" due to deductions.

RE: Measuring a rack at home. Second and final part of series.(lot's of pics)
 

Ok, it just clicked. I kinda knew my buck was a typical but can the buck in the beginning of this post can be scored as four different classes? I never knew that.

RE: Measuring a rack at home. Second and final part of series.(lot's of pics)
 

You do know you are talking to a carpenter who knows his way around a tape measureright? ;)

They are measured in 1/8ths... So you keep them in he same format while scoring.

Because it "read" smoother that way, and I didn't think someone would nitpick something so trivial after all of the time I spent making this post to help others understand the scoring system.

Maybe you could write up a better one for us all ;)

RE: Measuring a rack at home. Second and final part of series.(lot's of pics)
 

Glad this post got bumped back up, I have a question. I got my mount back this past Saturday and want to redo the score as I know I messed up the first time around. I'm not sure where to take the first measurement for mass on it's left beam. It's a mainframe 6 with a lot of junk, and a funky base. Here are the pics, also would you consider the brow to be two points, if so which is the abnormal? They are both 1 2/8from the fork.

Front view



Side view


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RE: Measuring a rack at home. Second and final part of series.(lot's of pics)
 

Thanks for showing us how to score them! I didn't know how before.

RE: Measuring a rack at home. Second and final part of series.(lot's of pics)
 

The smallest point between the burr and brow.

RE: Measuring a rack at home. Second and final part of series.(lot's of pics)
 

TTT

CAN someone please put this on the contest forum permanently? Thank you.

RE: Measuring a rack at home. Second and final part of series.(lot's of pics)
 

Thanks, I looked for this the other day.
Chris

RE: Measuring a rack at home. Second and final part of series.(lot's of pics)
 

Great post. excellent explanation and pictures, very well done.
thank you
DW

RE: Measuring a rack at home. Second and final part of series.(lot's of pics)
 

could i use the boone and crocket scoring system (on there website)for my deer even though its a bow kill?

RE: Measuring a rack at home. Second and final part of series.(lot's of pics)
 

Yes. P&Y and B&C use the same scoring system.