Big name camo companies going to open patterns?
 

It really seems that the bigger brand names out there are listening closely to the following of open patterns such as Predator, Enigma, ASAT, Intrusion, etc.......

Do you guys think we will see the 2 big names in the industry (MO, and RT) get behind and push this trend further? Realtree I think stuck their toe in the water last year with their APG which is still appealing to the eye of the hunter that is uneducated on open patterns.......it is a step in the right direction though andmuch more open than anything they have done in the past. Iwonder if they will really push this further with another offering that is much more open with much more contrast?

Mossy Oak will be officially releasing the new Treestand pattern I hear at the SHOT show this February, below is a sneak peek at that new pattern. It looks pretty good to me.....very open andif they have a waterproof Dream Season outfit made in this pattern I think it's going to rank right up there with the Gray Wolf, and Enigma type custom clothing lines, and will probably be much less $$$ than the custom stuff as well.



Do you guys think this will start a new trend with the big names in the camo business?

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They sure are missing the boat, right now.....from some pretty serious hunters.

The other issue is going to be the quality and workmanship of the garments. I wouldn't pay you anything for a great pattern in a sorry garment. In fact....I'd go the other way, first.

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Matt,
I think it will.Theywould be foolish to ignore the sentiments of hunters with the experience that they/we are having with open patterns and they have the financial resources to compete for that market share.
For a number of reasons my money will continue to go to the Chuck's from Enigma and Jeff from Grey Wolf Woolens of the world.I like the personal service and attention provided by the these gentleman.I don't see Toxey or Bill getting on the phone to make sure my order is right!

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While I am happy to see that the big companies are catching on it worries me somewhat as well. The new offerings from Realtree (APG) and Mossy Oak (Treestand) are a step in the right direction, but they still are not as effective as the older open patterns because they don't have the same contrast. However, if these new big name patterns catch on it may steal some precious business away from the smaller name pattern companies and result in them going by the way side. I would be very disappointed if I found myself unable to get another ASAT 3d leafy suit or Predator Fall Grey outfit.

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I think it will definetly be only the beginning. Shows you that there are more folks lurking around these message boards than we are aware of. They've got "pro ball" scouts everywhere. Realtree noticed it, and jumped on it. Their APG pattern has been a HUGE seller for them this year, and I'm certain it will be "improved" upon.

Guys.....We need to keep these kinds of trade secrets .....well, secrets. If we keep talking about it so much, everyone in the world will know all of our tricks......Shhhhhhhhhhhh :D

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I have to agree in the sense that both of the new camos from RT and MO are more "open" than their predecessors in the sense that they utilize some lighter colors but I really do not see the contrast that needs to be there in order for them to really "open up".

That pic you pulled from AT above is not what I expected the new Treestand pattern to look like. I expected it to offer higher contrast of lights and darks based on earlier pics. I had expected it to look more like....



....but without the green.

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I really couldn't care less. I've never used an open pattern yet and it hasn't hurt my success.

As long as you don't move, I don't care what kind of camo you're wearing, a deer won't pick you out.

In my opinion, if you're in the market for a new set of camo, pick out what you like because the deer just don't care.[:-]

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End of thread! Gospel!! :D

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So not true. I have been picked out of the surrounding brush by deer even though I was perfectly motionless and well hidden, so I thought.

Deer know the woods like the back of their hooves ;)and if you stick a human sized black blob in an area that the deer frequent regularly they instantly know that that blob isn't suppose to be there and go on high alert constanly trying to catch you moving.

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that looks awsome! looks like it could really work

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I think you will see some of the larger Camo makers go to this open pattern. What else could they do to keep it interesting for hunters? They will change it up every so often to generated more sales.

Personally, I think camo has become more of a fashion statement than anything these days and in the fashion world everyone knows you must have the latest and greatest styles!!![8D]

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See, you're wearin' the wrong color..... supposed to wear Tan, brown or even green. A solid color will do....... how much more open can you get??;)

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i think 90% of camo is bull sh*t to make money if a deer is color blind heant gong to car whatshade of green that leaf is or what shade the bark is 10%of the camo is o concealing you shape from a deer and 90% of it is to get you to pay the 50% more for it and ot the next kind

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Looks good to me too... If Mossy Oak makes it I'll wear it!!!

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I guess I will have to try something different than shadow grass???? I dunno if I can step away from the grass:)

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HUH?

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They have to have sharp contrast as well. Which is why the trebark pattern is effective. It has very good contrast, and I actually view trebark as a semi-open pattern....

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That is because you didn't use that high-fanootin' spray that kills UV light reflection on your clothes. You thought you were a big dark blob but in truth you were a big, bright blue blob.

;)

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25' up a tree early in the season when there is still plenty of cover and at close range, where you are out of their peripheral vision, You can pretty much be a rookie, ware hot pink, Knock your arrow off the rest, mumble cuss words, and still manage to get a shot.

Later in the season things change, your cover is on the ground, deer can spot you much farther away because you are closer to their center of vision. Many other things bring you closer to their center of vision, having to place your stand low, in rolling hills (wrong side of a ridge) and skylighting yourself among other things is where open pattern camo come into play.
Deer dont see the same as we do, but they are far from being blind. Evenif one picks your shape out, the way you make eye contactcan make the diference in if you get a shot or not.

Major camoCo's. coming out with open patterns is kind of a bitter sweet deal. Where the custom camo Co. have catered to the bowhunter with the open patterns and great materials for the bowhunter, I am hopeing these major camo manufactures with their noise, fade in one season open patterns sold at wally world dont put the smaller custom bowhunter oriented guys under.

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Stay tuned..the next, "best thing" is right around the corner! ;)

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Isn't it always! :D

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GMMAT, Is right they have missed the boat for along time now!! I think the big company's will get there piece of the pie when they get on board,but for me I will stick with Jeff from Gray wolf woolens!! Walt

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Early season......sliver is right. A Blob ain't so bad.....when you have a blob as a backdrop.

When leafdrop occurs......I want an open pattern.

Well....he isn't, entirely;)

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anyone have a website on grey wolf woolens?

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Holy huge differences, Batman! How huge of a difference do they make!!??[:-]

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Here you go PA.

http://www.graywolfwoolens.com/store/home.php

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Thanks Ranger!

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Although I think the RT AP looks good and that MO pattern as well, they still look like photocopies in the woods. IMO the contrast is just not there as does the Predator and Enigma patterns. My idea of an ideal camo is to blend in, not to look like a picture.

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Eventually, they will work their way back to woodland, and then start over.

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Rick can you explain to me what you mean by this? I guess I am uneducated because I have no open style camo, but I also seem to think that I have no problem concealing myself in the hunting woods with my old realtree hd?? The only complaint that I have with realtree and MO is they are a bit on the dark side, especially MOak??

I honestly believe that any camo will work, whether it be Enigma, Predator, Realtree or mossy oak.... They all fall into different places in the hunting woods.

So based on this I cant bring myself to say that an "Open Pattern" camo is any better then the old fashioned stuff! HeyI am sure the old Army camoworks well??Thats funny when you think of it now,realtree hd and Mossy Oak will be unheard of in 10+ years, this falls into the category of things that will be extinct in the hunting world such as aluminum arrows, non back tension releases, etc... will all be things of the past eventually?? IMO

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Hunters are becoming like a bunch of teenage girls who have to have the latest newest designer jeans. The more expensive the better. The old stuff used to be great. Now it is junk. A state of the art bow from 10 years can't even kill a deer today. Camo that worked great for 20 years can't possibly work now.

Did someone say MARKETING?

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I agree with the open pattern designs as long as the design mimicks the vegetation/forest etc your hunting. Why is it that something as big as a deer, which is primarily all brown, can stand a few yds away from you & then "disappear" until they actually move? I don't know the answer, but I guess i would use the military for the example in arguing with those that say the "old" camo works as well as the new stuff. Why has the military changed it's pattern from olive green, to the forest camo & now the digitized stuff. They also have various colors & styles to match the terrain they're in. I think it comes down to looking like the area your hunting. In nature, moth, insects, etc, all immitate the vegetation/terrain theyr'e in. This is to be either the hunter or the hunted.