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The last few compound shoots I went to, it was like being in a library where you can't hardly breathe without someone getting all disturbed. Everybody all tight and serious. That's one reason I enjoyed doing the 'gamesmanship' things with them, just to piss them off.

I suggest grabbing your recurve or longbow and get to an all-traditional 3D shoot. You wouldn't recognize it as being the same game. It's like being at a birthday party, where you can joke and laugh out loud and genuinely enjoy yourself. It really is a whole different world with a completely different mindset.

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I'd like to do that, too, Arthur.

I don't think I have enough arrows, though.[&:]

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I usually go to one 3D shoot a year here in Minnesota. Its a traditional shoot with 60 different targets. They have 3rounds to it, one is awestern round, one is a Minnesota round, the other is a Africa round. There are realistic shots which you don't always see when going to a regular 3D shoot. I would love to go to more of these, there's no excuse for me not doing more of these, good practice in the off season and it keeps your shoulder in shape too. The people are very easy going as well at these traditional shoots i've been to.

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Don't worry about that. Most traditional shooters are experts at finding arrows that missed. I'm a Jedi master at it, with all the practice I've had. ;)

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LOL, me too.;)

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Biggest problem I'm having in 3D is..........

Learning how to slow everything down to the point that it takes 5 minutes to loose one arrow. I'm practicing for the upcoming 3D season by watching mind-numbing BS on television. I've graduated to the point to where now it takes me 2 hours to watch 60 minutes.

I'm getting there.

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Dont count Rob out!! lol........

I'll be at the GTG, but won't be shooting from HC stakes. I'm probably going to shoot Open this year but if I can get my hands on an 82nd and can get it tuned to where I have 100% confidence in it, I may stay back in MBR for one more season. Hopefully Justin can have some long stakes setup for us to shoot from.

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What am I gonna have to turn my 82nd down to ......to keep below 280fps with the arrow setup you gave me, Matt?

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Id love to get into three d, but there is no where, within 150 miles from me to do so.[:@][:@]

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I'll admitI'm usually the slowest guy in my group, but in all reality I'm able to pick a yardage number, and make my shot in well under the 2 minute mark. If I setup my shot wrong and I know it's not going to be a strong shot I'm not going to waste the arrow and will let down and start over, but I'm still typically way under the 2 minute mark.

How long does it take a pro golfer to size everything up and calculate everything before he putts a complicated putt? What about a longer shot, how long does it take to figure out the distance and select which club? Isn't this similar in golf?

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I wouldn't worry about it because ASA format is the only one that will regulate you on speed. If that's the case, I'd recommend a different arrow recipe to be honest. It would take about a 25lb draw 82nd to slow that arrow down enough for 280........lol.

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Yeah, there's another difference in traditional-only tournaments. An entire group of 4 shooters can shoot a target before one open class guy can get off the stake. The last shoot we had at our club, about 10 guys shot through 40 targets with their recurves, then went and signed up again and shot another 40 with their longbows. We started the shoot at noon and were handing out awards by 4:30. An open class shooter will raise hell if he doesn't have a full 8 hours to shoot 40 targets and these trad guys shot 80 in 4 hours.

Like I said, you wouldn't even recognize it as the same game.

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Awesome post, Matt. Thanks so much for the detailed info.

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Jeff actually you Do kind of have a point to consider here.......RJ and I mostly deal with IBO events and IBO scoring and rules. The ASA is more of a southern based organization and you might run into speed regulations.
I ALWAYS advocate shooting the absolute fastest bow that you can shoot accurately. But in the ASA they do have that 280fps rule with something like a 3% fudge factor to allow for different chronographs.

When I shot Hunter class I set my bow up to be IBO legal equipment wise but also made sure the speed was about 284fps which made me legal now to shoot both sanctioned events.

I only shoot IBO now so my set ups will be flamethrowers but 280-285fps isn't much of a handicap shooting Hunter class, and you might even benefit setting your 82nd Airborne up to shoot that speed but rather than turning it down do like RJ suggested and get your hands on some big fat heavy stable arrows like X-Cutters or even maybe as big as the 30X from Gold Tip or the X-Jammer from Carbon Express depnding how the weight works out for you.
Or if you don't have any speed regs and aren't worried about it stay with the fat arrows but now look at the light ones like Carbon Express CXL's or Gold Tip 22 series.

In any event decide what weight you want to shoot the bow at, then decide what speed you want to shoot, and finally build your arrow around what you want. Don't build the set up around the arrow, make the arrow fit the set up.

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Matt's definitely 100% correct on this Jeff. If you are shooting speed restricted 3D @ 280fps I would change the arrow, not the bow. Always shoot the bow wherever you shoot it best, and change the arrow recipe accordingly. You can get an advantage this way that you would be giving away if you simply changed the bow.

You can at least try to make up for that restriction by shooting the fattest shaft that you can shoot wellto cut some extra lines. The year I won my ASA state championship in HC I shot 30X Pro's fletched with blazers, and with 100 grain glue ins at around 281fps. Those things really cut some lines and hog up the X ring and to be honest I never sawmuch of a difference in my scores from a 315fps rig in hunter class all the way down to 280 or so. Speed matters much more from the long stakes, but in HC the pins only go so close together on most sights at these distances.

The lasttarget I shot in that ASA shoot, Ibarely licked the 10 ring with that 30X pro.2nd place ended up 2 points behind me [8D].

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Hunter class is fine for fat shafts but as Matt mentions,you may cost yourself when stepping back.


I would highly reccomend when shooting long stakes with fat shafts that you have a higher energy setup that has a little ke and momentum to fight off some of the wind drift and other factors that make fat shafts unstable at distance.Most people have no problem with this,I did.


When I won the ASA ky state shoot I believe I was shooting normal diameter shafts.I had a low energy setup and have never been able to shoot fat shafts at distance that the groups wouldn't open up at distance.I believe ACC's was what I was using.


Besides,you are only talking about .020 to .040 advantagein most cases with a fat shaft over a regular shaft.The diameter must be divided by 2 to get the advantage.;) If you drift that much,advantage lost.

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I guess I'm only interested in HC....because I don't know of another I could "compete" in, around here. It's either "open" or HC, mostly.

My problem is.....I don't know enough about arrows to know how to set my bow up, intelligently. I'm going ot get a dozen of the ones Matt (RJ) told me to get.....and claim ignorance about bow speeds as long as I can. I "really" don't think any of the local shoots I'll be going to will chrono my bow......and I'll see how I do in those before worrying about some of the bigger shoots.

GREAT info., guys.....and it's much appreciated.;)

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The arrows they recommend are fine and with your setup,fat shafts would be fine at the longer ranges too.

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With the 3D season imminent.....I thought it would be a good time to resurrect this thread.

MUCHO information in here.;)

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Indeed, and I just ordered my 3D sights yesterday......I'm chomping at the bit to get these in......it is a really nice set....

New arrows ordered....man, I'm ready to get to it. This is going to be my first "season" of competitive 3D and I'm excited.

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Hey cool..i'll read this at lunch.. Quick question do you guys shoot hunting arrows for 3d or target arrows?

Sorry, I'll read the thread.. promise

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So we actually going to get together and shoot one this year mobow?

You order the Sword 3rd plane? Very nice looking sight.

What arrows you go with?

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I ordered new arrows for 3D GR8.......Bigger diameter, maybe cut a few more lines. ;)

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Absolutely! I know we will be putting on 3 or 4 shoots this year, and I plan on traveling a little as well.

Yes, I ordered the Sword Apex 3rd plane......they are pretty incredible....I can't wait to get it. For arrows I ordered a dozen Carbon Express CXL's....

I was really wanting to shoot Bohning X vanes this year, but I don't see that they have them in 4".......I don't really wanna go w/ the killers, they are a bit heavy and taller profile...I'm gonna check into that one yet...

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I'm shooting GT Pro 22 X-Cutters (I think). I know they're fat...but I think they make 'em even fatter!

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But with them big blunt-ish tips and the big diameter arrowis bounce out ever a concern?? I dunno

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Pro 22's or x cutters jeff...they are 2 different arrows. The pro 22's are lighter and skinnier while the xcutters are fatter and little heavier.:D


Mobow:
Awesome that you guys are putting shoots together again...I enjoyed them a few years ago. I'll be sure to get our group to attend most if not all.

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See how little I know.[&:] All I know is I got 'em from Matt / PA.....and I like 'em.[8D]

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With the 82nd your going to be shooting, it won't matter a lick anyway.:D

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Our outdoor winter 3D league has kicked off here and we're 4 shoots in.......after 4 shoots from the Open Class stakes (I'm the only guy shooting fixed pins from the long stakes) I have a 304 / 14X average (IBO scoring 30 targets)which is not too shabby right out of the gate w/ 3 wins and a second.
Going to be a cold one this Sunday....something like 18 degrees and windy. Fun fun.;)

11 more weeks to go then a couple big warm up events (Harrisburg Sport Show etc),local shoots every weekend,MD and PA states, the IBO Triple Crown, all ramping up to a run at IBO Worlds.
Gonna be a lot of shooting this season.[:-]

If anyone has any specific questions feel free to contact me if I didn't address it in that long winded mess.

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You know I say this with respect for what you posted..But you took a guy who was intereseted in giving it a try and made it no fun already!

Instead of "So you wanna learn 3d" it should have been titled ....

"OK you've shot 3D and want to know what it takes to get to the next level"

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LOL it is what it is........if you wanna get serious ya gotta be serious.;)

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It really shouldn't be a concern,I have seen arrows bounce out but I think I have only seen it twice in 10 or so years and the targets were not in the best of shape.Plus I couldn't tell you if those were fat arrows or not.