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What is your guys take on the scoring of deer? Do you think that the official score should be based on the Net score of the animalor Gross score? In my opinion I think Net is for fishing. If they grow it we should count it. This may sound stupid to some but I just wanted to hear everybodies opinion on this.

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gross

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Gross is the way to go IMO....... Another new take on scoring would be water displacement. Take the total mass of a rack by water displacement would give you the total bone growth of that deer. Kinda wierd but would be a new spin on things. WCL

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I've thought about this too. I think that i would like to see the total gross also.

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Definately Gross Score. They should get credit for everything they grow.

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Yep. I never understood taking inches AWAY.....It's on top of their head isn't it???

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GROSS!!!! If they grew it......count it!

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i could care less about net score. Nets are for fishing and basketball goals

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Gross!

Hatchet Jack

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I too go by gross score. When someone says they shot a whatever sized net buck, you can be picturing something completely different that what they actually shot.

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Gross all the way! Nets are for fishing!

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Now this would be really interesting to see where some of the great ones stack up. Interesting idea.

I'm for gross as well.nets are for fishing and hot women to wear!

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gross for sure!

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Gross.....

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Gross, because the origination/concept of antler scoring came from scoring horns, not antlers.

Symmetry is far more predominate in hornsversus antlers.

There should not be any deductions, one class, throw them all in it.. Big Nontypicals would rule the world! :D:D:D.....


all joking aside... I like to see.......one typical catagory and one straight gross catagory... Why deduct "main frame differences" in a NT as B/C and P/Y do???


If we really want to score them truely, submerge them in water and measure displacement.

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The only problem with water displacement, which I originally thought was a terrific idea as well, is how accurately you could really measure them. You would have to have a very large tank, which would mean that to the average Jow, it would be very difficult to measure any better than 1ml, which is equal to 1 cubic centimeter. That isn't very accurate really. Plus, how could your average hunter who just wants to see for fun what his rack scores measure it at all. Another point is how do you measure the rack for displacement at all? Part of the skull would have to be submerged, which would obviously affect everything, unless you dunked 1 side at a time. If you did that, then you would have to split the skull, thus disqualifying it for P&Y or B&C. These are only a few of the problems I ran in to when first thinking this over.

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Jim, just a few kinks to work out! we officiallynominate you to create this new scoring system, provide training and change the world of antler measuring! :D

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Gotta agree 100%. I have seen both the World record typical (Milo Hanson) buck and the deer it replaced (Jim Jordan) buck and in my opinion the Jordan buck is much more impressive due to it's sheer mass. Even the tines have incredible mass. I would bet if you weighed both racks, or used water displacement, the Jordan buck would be the hands down winner! ;)

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I can hear it now...."That buck looks like a 73 ouncer for sure!" Hard to guestimate water displacement on the hoof. You guys sound like advocates for the Buckmaster scoring system: every inch counts but spread is left out (Cant say I agree with that part).

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WHY should a deer with a wider rack score higher than one with a narrower rack.....all else being equal?

Somewhere along the way, in deer hunting history........I can see some guys sitting in a room....trying to figure out how the deerthey're shooting are superior to the deer someone else is shooting....and trying to devise a measuring system totilt things their way.:eek:

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Gross is the only thing that matters to me. Leave the net for the clubs. If the buck wears it I score it.

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I guess spread creates a greater sense of size. If you created two identical racks, one narrow-one wide, I bet the wide rack would impress people more. Not just because we've been trained that way, but because we're programmed that way. Our brain registers that space and it creates a stronger presence. JMO. Not that I care either way. I prefer the more etherial/subjective approach; do I think they are neat? If I like it, that's all that matters. Not interested in books or numbers. Numbers are only to allow me to convey the concept of how the deer looks, and I prefer pictures for that anyway.

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In all seriousness I am part of a 3 engineer team currently working this issue. Yes, it is true, I am a nerd:D

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GROSS.

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Hard to say because this is how it has been measured for years and there would have to be a new record book made if it were changed. I'm all for the gross score as well as the water displacement score. Why not make a mold out of each side of the rack and fill the mold with sand. Then, dump the sand out and weigh it to the nearest gram and add up each of the two sides to get the total "mass" of the antlers and add that to the spread to get the final score...just something I've been thinking about!

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My shower stall isn't deep enough![&o]

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Huntingson,
I hope you guys don't go metric!![:@]

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Gross why take way what the deer was able to grow

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LOL!TAKE THAT EUROPE!!!:D

Most lab measuring tools are in metric, so I will have to convert everything. I am a nerd. I told you this:D

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LOL, Your answer is?

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i can see it now 50 years into the future BIOLGIC'S next blend SPECIALY for WATER DISPLANCEMENT scoring

that water displaacement is kinda kool although i really understand none of it!!! not the math scholar here!!!!


GROSS if it GROWS IT IT COUNTS

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I prefer gross score it tells the whole story. B&C now includes the gross score in the books but only net counts so that helps with the story.
Does Buckmasters scoring system include spread? If it does do they count gross score?

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Untill they say the "Gross Score" is an actuall score and means something in the books it will be net for me. If they change it thats fine too but i don't see that ever happening. Ijust read an article inthe P@Ymonthly news letter that I getand they have no plans on changing thescoring systemat all.

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GROSS

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No, they dont count the spread....

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gross!

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I would vote for 2 catagories:

the scoring would have toremain the same for typical, but i think it should be groos for non-typical. I think this makes the most sense.