RE: More speed = Less Accuracy???
 

Well said. This is why I'm shooting Hoyt bows - when all my friends have gone over to Mathews and Bowtech. I like the grip - it feels right - and I don't really care a whole lot about blistering speed. The only animal I didn't get with my current 260 fps setup that I might have gotten with a speed bow was an antelope. Didn't range him. Estimated the distance at 60 yards. Put a cut across his brisket. Turned out to be 64 yards. From then on, I don't hunt without the lazer rangefinder around my neck.

One aspect of speed that could be a plus is the shorter length of time the arrow remains on the string and subject to the influences of torque, etc. I have found that shooting my daughter's Genesis bow is pretty demanding when it comes to form and follow through. At maybe 100 fps, that arrow is real slow to get going downrange.

RE: More speed = Less Accuracy???
 

Form, more than speed. I think that with today's technology & the ability for bows to have higher speed w/decent brace height, they reduce the bow's part of inaccuracy. I believe it comes down to the shooter. Like Arthur said, grip. If you can't hold it steady & be consistent in your release, time after time, your accuracy will suffer.

RE: More speed = Less Accuracy???
 

No where are you factoring in MOMENTUM which is a big reason that a heavy arrow is more stable and will drift less than a light one.

RE: More speed = Less Accuracy???
 

BHB - you're probably more likely to be more accurate with a faster bow than you are to be with a slower one, in a HUNTING scenario - all things held equal. Never underestimate the benefits of having a flat trajectory that gives you a little more fudge factor when judging yardage in the field. This isn't a 3d range, where you get 10 minutes to stare at the foam and come up with a yardage estimate, or an indoor or FITA course with marked yardages. This is where pure speed will make the difference between a filled tag and a bad hit or a clean whiff. However, not all "speed bows" are created equal.

That's where High Country is setting the standard. Their setup allows hunters to have their cake and eat it too. You're using a 7"+ brace height, a normal draw curve, and you're STILL able to realize significant speed gains despite the forgiving setup. This is particularly useful for guys who are restricted by a short draw length, the ONLY way you'll ever get that kind of a trajectory is to shoot a lighter arrow, or a bow with a 5" brace.

HCA builds and warranties the bow to do it. Awesome hunting bows. Just as quiet as any of the competitors with the STS installed. (The new ones come with one from the factory).

The Speed Pro arrows are spined super stiff, so they perforrm just like your current, heavier arrows. As noted earlier, other arrow manufacturers are starting to enter the "light arrow" market (Gold Tip, Victory). With these light arrows, you can get speed WITHOUT sacrificing in the traditional areas (giving up brace height, dealing with a horribly heavy draw, overbowing yourself). That's why you're seeing solid, reputable companies following HCA's lead.

Even if you're not shooting a bow that's warranted down to 3gpp, you can easily take these light arrows, and build a GREAT arrow (that comes in right at 5gpp) - with an excellent FOC - and hunt with it.

So yes and no. Most "speed bows" aren't very forgiving, but it has nothing to do with the speed, and is a direct function of the design of the BOW. Historically, most crotch rocket bows have had almost no brace height, with hideous draws, and no valley at full draw. To some extent, today's "speed bows" are much the same. However, when you can shoot a light arrow out of a naturally forgiving setup, you've created a speed demon that is as forgiving as your standard hunting bow. That's where the rubber meets the road.

RE: More speed = Less Accuracy???
 

Fran:

Would you tell someone shooting a Bowech Allegiance that your bow outperforms theirs? OR....is your bow warranted to shoot lighter arrows than the Bowtech? OR....Both?

Just curious.

I'm getting 300+ put of my target setup (at 66lbs).....and could care less about my hunting setup arrow speeds for the distance I shoot a 427gr. arrow. I used to think I had a crotch rocket....but I'm not so sure, anymore. I've shot the X-force....and didn't like it.....but I've never shot the HC. Honestly don't know where I'd have to drive to shoot one.

RE: More speed = Less Accuracy???
 

I think Speed bows and bows shooting heavy arrows both have their place. My Allegiance shot my hunting arrow 301 fps and I shot it extremely well, exceeding even my own abilities at times. I hunt with fairly light arrows out of my Speed rig (5.5 to 6 grains per#) but I am not a believer in shooting arrows under 5 grains per pound just to get speed. My Close range Treestand setup where I know my shots will be limited to 30 yards and under, arrows may weigh 500+ grains and FOC may be 20% or more. I like shooting and hunting with them both depending on the situation. Is one better than the other in all situations? Not in my opinion, but they both will work;)

Dan

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My old 2005 BowTech Allegiance that I still shot 3D with last year shoots 320 fps at 5 gpp at a 29 inch draw length..... Still being super quiet with next to no hand shock....


The bow shoots much more accurate than I am capable of shooting it.

If I don't hit the X.... It is 100% of the time my fault not the bows.

Quicksilver shot my ole Alley this past summer [8D]
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RE: More speed = Less Accuracy???
 

HOLY CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That was a damn good post right there. I couldn't have said it better myself.

RE: More speed = Less Accuracy???
 

If you don't have time to get the yardage right, then you probably do not have time to make sure each and every small detail of your shooting form is exactly perfect before releasing that arrow. How many times have we seen the words 'perfect shooting form' so far in this discussion? That speed bow is just as likely to make a bad hit or whiff as any other. Actually MORE likely, because it's darn hard to achieve that 'perfect form' in a hunting situation.

If you don't anticipate having time to judge or, even better, lazer the yardage, then mark a 30 yard radius around your stand. Stick with shots within that 30 yard area. Within that distance, the difference in trajectory between a 250 fps arrow and a 300 fps arrow is less than an inch.

No matter how fast your bow is, if you don't KNOW the range don't shoot. That's just basic hunting ethics. Speed does not relieve you of that responsibility.

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Jeff - the Iron Mace is a carbon copy of the Allegiance, just like the Elites (I don't know anything about their new "Speed Force" bow). So depending on how you set it up, I'm sure they would each perform just about the same. It's just warranted down to a lighter weight, has a very slightly different cam, and isbuilt with better limbs. Performance is practically identical at 5gpp.

For a 29-31" draw archer, 300-330 is probably fast enough, and we're content withour hunting speed, as-is.Usmonkey-armed guysdon't really understand the plight of the short guy, or the 55# draw.See, if those guys(a short draw or light draw weight hunter) want to experience the same trajectory as us longer draw guys...They really haveno option but to go to a lighter arrow. That's not an option with a Hoyt or a Bowtech.

I shot Scott's '05 ally this summer, and it was a great bow. (I've said this before and I'll say it again- the '05 allegiance was one of the best hunting bows ever made). If Bowtech had a 3 gpp warranty, I'd have seriously considered buying one. But, I thought they were overpriced (new)and had an inferior warranty to what HCA was offering. I paid $530 for mine new. Not bad, considering what Ican do with it.

Artie: I'm sorry that I don't live up to your lofty ethical expectations.