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btpatriot02

01-24-2003 12:51 AM

More news about the ATA show

About this Mathews VS Bowtech.They e-mailed me this is what the ceo told me .Mathews didn't beat us because they didn't shoot against us. They took a bow that they made specially for the showand shot it at the show.They didn't shoot their bow during the test but said it shot at 340,it didn't even have their strings on it.They made special ones for the show.We took a stock bow off the rack and fiddled with it without a bow press and they tested it on the machine and it shot 335 and was 1/2" short on draw length(which would make it shoot 5fps slow)Their bow had a one and one quarter" lower brace height than ours and had a let off of 44%(ours 65%)and they made us back off the weight of 2pds.by their scale.Our scale read 70#. They didn't beat us,you could say they tied us just on speed.

BOWFANATIC

01-24-2003 03:19 AM

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Am I missing something here? I thought Bowtech had a bow with a 350+ IBO rating.

>>>---Doug--->

PABowhntr

01-24-2003 06:14 AM

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Bowtech's bows hav IBO speed "ranges" in order for the customer to know that not all of their production bows will shoot at the high end of their speed rating range. There is normally around an 8 fps difference between the high and low ends of the range.

silentassassin

01-24-2003 06:53 AM

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They are comparing solocam to solocam. If you call 20% less let-off and 1.25 inches less brace height a comparison.

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gutshot

01-24-2003 06:58 AM

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Sounds like another pissing contest to me.

NEWSHOOTER

01-24-2003 08:23 AM

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Who gives a s@#$! Did it ever occur to any of you that if Mathews wanted to make bows faster than Bowtech they would. What, you don't think Mathews has the technology? What are you crazy? Look at any bow on the market and you see mathews inovations, Especially Bowtech. Do you think Matt Mcphearson cares? He is out selling Bowtech 50 to 1. And even if that ever changed who cares he is allready rich.What is 10 or even 15 fps anyways, who cares, as long as the bow is quiet, smooth,and accurate.If speed was the most important thing in archery than you would see alot more companies focusing on that instead of more quality parts,design and better all around bows for the general population. Maybe someone should start a custom bow company"Speed Bows Inc." and they could custom make each bow per each customers specifications so the 1% of people who care about speed have a place to shop. In the mean time Mathews will still have the majority of the market place.Not trying to start an argument just do not see what the big deal is.

silentassassin

01-24-2003 08:51 AM

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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quotequote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Did it ever occur to any of you that if Mathews wanted to make bows faster than Bowtech they would. What, you don't think Mathews has the technology <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

It occurred to most of us that is not the case! You really don't know much about the backgrounds of the companies or their engineers do you?

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> He is out selling Bowtech 50 to 1. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

I am sure he wishes that was true! I am sure he outsells Bowtech bya a healthy margin but they have been in business for 10 years and they already have their infrastructure in place! To put that in perspective for you; Bowtech sold more bows in their first year of business than Mathews did in their first three years of business combined. They doubled sales the following year and then doubled that number the following year. Making them the fastest grwoing bow company of all time!

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>What is 10 or even 15 fps anyways, who cares, as long as the bow is quiet, smooth,and accurate.I <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

I agree with you totally. But, if you can have all that and the speed too, then why not do it ( since they have the technology and all). I mean if they can makes bows just as smooth and quiet as they do now and make them shoot 15 fps faster then why not do it to grab those consumers that do care. I mean since they already have the technology it seems like it would be a no-brainer.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> In the mean time Mathews will still have the majority of the market place.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

You are absolutely correct. But, that's rolling downhill like a Bowtech Snowball that's headed for hell!

You should probably step and take a few deep breaths because you are going to be seeing allot of these type posts in the future. As the baton passes and it's no longer "cool" to shoot a Mathews you will see allot of non-Mathews shooters taking friendly shots at the Mathews shooters who are now bitter because they are part of a fading trend! Just like the Mathews shooters have always done to those unenlightened non-Mathews shooters. Doesn't feel good to be snubbed does it? (ok let the tyrade begin)

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01-24-2003 09:20 AM

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NEWSHOOTER

01-24-2003 09:34 AM

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Mathews or Bowtech I do'nt care. Trend or no trend, I do not follow trends.I was only saying who cares about speed. On your post about Bowtech selling more there first year well duh! Mathews brouht out a new idea and marketed it. Bowtech rode the coattails .Archery is a much larger sport now than it was in 1992. Alot of that is because of mathews. Obviously as the population grows you have more potential buyers, right. So intern Bowtech is on the new improved more populated and larger customer base train. That would help in their success story. How about the internet? Were we talking about Mathews on the internet when they opened,NOT!Alot of products you would not even know of with out the internet.I'm taking nothing away from Bowtech and I'm not for any brand of bow,but it is a hell alot of easier to sell a solocam to a weathered buyer than it was ten years ago.Personally I could care less who sell the most bows anyways.Find this out how many bows were sold as a whole in 1992 and how many in 2002 and you will see how the customer base grew and why these companies have so many more customers to appeal to.

silentassassin

01-24-2003 09:45 AM

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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quotequote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>I'm taking nothing away from Bowtech and I'm not for any brand of bow,but it is a hell alot of easier to sell a solocam to a weathered buyer than it was ten years ago. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

Bowtech, is really pushing their Dual Cams allot harder than they are their solocams.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>I was only saying who cares about speed. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

I don't personally care who can make a bow that shoots the fastest but if I can have my cake(a smooth quiet bow) and eat it(fast also) then why I would I not opt for the faster model. Let me ask you this. You have 2 identical Mathews Legacy bows in front of you and both are set up for your draw length same accessories on the string, arrow, etc. Everything is completely identical. However, one shoots 12 fps faster that the other (we don't know why, it just does) Are you saying that you are going to purposely pick the slower bow? If so please explain why.

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NEWSHOOTER

01-24-2003 09:56 AM

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Silent, Your right with that. This is sure making my friday go by nicely. Hell I hav'nt even seen a Bowtech in person but i'll tell you what my bow will still shoot the S&%$ out of any game I point it at.Maybe when my bow wears out i'll buy the Bowtech, but by that time another company will ride the train and be better and we will be talking about then. You gotta love compatition because we always win.

Trushot_archer

01-24-2003 10:05 AM

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Newshooter,
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quotequote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>I was only saying who cares about speed <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>
So it's safe to assume you shoot a recurve, or a compound set at 40#? Hey who cares about speed? Let's make it shootable<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Did it ever occur to any of you that if Mathews wanted to make bows faster than Bowtech they would. What, you don't think Mathews has the technology? <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>
I wonder about that when I see the Black Max 2 being brought out TO TRY AND COMPETE with EVERY bow in the Bowtech line and coming up with a Brace so low only the Hooter Shooter doesn't bleed.

I think Mathews makes great bows. Shoot really nice. But they won't stay on top for long without making some major advancments.

Trushot }}------>

silentassassin

01-24-2003 10:08 AM

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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quotequote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>You gotta love compatition because we always win. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>
Now that we can agree on<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

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NEWSHOOTER

01-24-2003 10:11 AM

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Tru,
Yes my bow is turned down.

And yes Mathews needs advancements but give credit were due they did alot of advancements in the past to further archery.

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01-24-2003 10:21 AM

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pdq 5oh

01-24-2003 10:44 AM

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NEWSHOOTER, if speed isn't such a big deal, why do I talk to so many people, especially women & short draw archers, that are getting BowTechs? To get the speed they can't get out of their short draw Mathews.

Phil.
"Could you guys be quiet, my dad's trying to shoot."<img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle>

Kanga

01-24-2003 11:58 AM

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The really funny thing to come of all this was the loyal waiting to see the new innovations from Mathews at the ATA show with every one was second guessing.
Now what did they come out with LIMB POCKETS which IMO should have been fixed 3 years ago.
A new bow which looks like a grown up Legacy.
I think that Matt is going to have to listen to the customers and archery in general.
The trend now is back to Dual cams but Mathews are sticking to singles mainly because they backed themselves into a corner and will have to do a complete about face and say "well 10 years or so ago the single cam was the way to go but with advancements that have been made in the last few years dual cams are better".

There are more and more companies producing duals these days.
I am sure they are doing it for a reason.

I am not knocking Mathews in anyway they make a good product but seem to be stuck in the mud a little.

Aussie by birth Texan by choice

btpatriot02

01-24-2003 12:07 PM

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When I posted my thread I didn't really realize the coming of the cat claws. I just thought I'd let you guys here from one perspective of the company that is involved.Instead of all these people saying this and saying that.and the b.s. sounding to get this snowball effect.I was going to buy a Q2. It was set up for me and I test shot it.It was smooth as hell. It was cronoed 252 fps. Then my brother in law started his own archery business He first went to Mathews,because thats what He was using.They really didn't want to work with him. so he tried a bowtech and they were able to work with him to selling their bows.Then he had me try a Patriot.With my set up I'm shooting at 287fps,its extremely forgiving,and quiet,and smooth as silk.So having that and being that much faster? NO brainer to what to go for.It seems that Mathews people have been knocking down everybody in the world.But Bowtech has been steadly getting more popular.And the mathew shooters are getting very defensive when people are talking about Bowtech.Their is always room for more than one on the top.

8PT	01-24-2003 12:53 PM

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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quotequote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

DID a lot of advancements in the PAST =HASBEENS <img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle>

THE DEVIL MADE ME DO IT.
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Edited by - 8PT on 01/24/2003 16:09:41

selway

01-24-2003 05:25 PM

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speed means a lot to me.i always shot at 70#. last year i went down to 60# a lot easier on the shoulder. this year going to go to a 50# bow a lot easier and more of a pleasure to shoot.but i need ke for elk hunting im thinking of a 50# dc with a 71/2+ brace hieght from bowtech.last year i got a pat 60# loved the bow smooth and fast.im getting older and smarter if i can get back most of the ke i loose from going to 50# from 60# speed is very important to me. most people well tell you the dc will have a harsher draw cycle but anything set at 50# is just going to be 4 times as smooth as compared to 70# i think im going to love this bow. by the way im going from righty to lefty right eye getting old to. so i will take all the speed they can deliver and put it to shooting a heavy arrow for more ke<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_cool.gif border=0 align=middle>

you can use your pepper spray my 12 gauge with 3 inch slugs works fine

horntagger

01-28-2003 08:53 AM

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PRODUCT REVIEW OF SOME NEW PRODUCTS AT THE 2003 ARCHERY TRADE ASSOCIATION TRADE SHOW.
For the ATA 2003 Trade Show – I hope to show you some different companies you need to take a look at this year. These are just some of the products at the show that struck my interest and might benefit you the hunter in the next season. You will have to decide for your self if these products are what you are missing.
Keeps checking back as I go through my list of around 36 different and new products, some of the pictures are already posted.

Hope you get something out of it. Horntagger

http://www.mosportsmen.com/atashowreview.htm#product

gutshot

01-28-2003 10:07 AM

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Ok I was going to stay out of this and when I'm done I'll probably wished that I would have. I hear some of you say that Mathews needs to be more innovative, have never heard of parrelle limbs, long risers and short limbs, harmonic dampening, string suppressors, and this year solid fit limb pockets and a whole new cam. Now granted speed is not Mathews big seller but if you look at almost every bow company in the market today they have some form of a Mathews innovation incorporated into thier bows. I'm talking Bowtech, High Country, PSE, Hoyt all of them and this you can't deny. So obviously they are doing everything right. So speed is all they the rest of them have to knock Mathews about, well I say OK Mathews isn't the fastest bow out their but if it wasn't for Mathews the bows that we shoot today wouldn't be near as forgiving or smooth.

CG	01-28-2003 01:17 PM

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Just A thought, but I bet Mathews has taken more from PSE than vice versa....Just a thought.....

"What we do in this life echos an eternity"

BOWFANATIC

01-28-2003 02:04 PM

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Another note: I dont credit Mathews for innovation for "harmonic dampening"! For the phrase , sure , but the idea was done by Martin well before Mathews.

>>>---Doug--->

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