Double lung shot
 

We know this is the shot we all try for. I have read
several posts saying the hunter got the double lung
shot and the animal still took an hour to die. Is
this possible? How in the world can an animall last
an hour without being able to breathe? Even the great
Chuck Adams says he double lunged a bison and when
he went to track it was still alive and charged him.

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I think it's partly the adrenaline.

I hunted with a buddy in Alabama who put a Bear Razorhead through a perfect typical 12's heart. The buck went for just under 300 yards, having crossed a creek we had to use a canoe to get to the area we hunted. While we were trailing him, he had went down once only about 40 yards where he finally piled-up. The broadhead had sliced a good 1.5" off the tip end of the heart.

Going that far after a heart-shot, or living so long after a double-lung'er. Must be a strong desire to live!?





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stickerpt I am not going to say it is impossible for a double lunged deer to live an hour, but it is highly unlikely. Now what GForce said is very true, the distance a deer can travel in a short amount of time with its heart blown and its lungs wasted is hard to fathom, but adreneline does some amazing things. For the life of me though I can not envision how a deer double lunged could live an hour unless one lung was just nicked. Once you have truely double lunged a deer the lungs collapse, they suffocate quickly, to say they can go for an hour without oxygen I don't buy.

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I double lunged a moose this year and after 5 minutes, put the sneak on him again and put another arrow into him at 10 yards. That was a double lung and heart shot, and he died seconds later.

He quickly ran 40 yards after the shot, then laid down. He got up about 10 seconds later, walked in a backwards 360 and laid down again in the same spot. I saw the arrow hit, and watched as he ran off with blood pumping out of both sides of him, so I knew it was a fatal hit. I didn't want to push him, so I didn't launch a long shot and didn't stalk him right away to get another arrow in him. Frankly, I didn't expect him to last that long!
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I'm going way out on a limb here,lol, if someone tells you a deer is alive an hour after they put a razor sharp broadhead through both lungs of a deer,their fool of you know what.

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Sticker, you said it all with this" How in the world can an animal last an hour without being able to breathe?"
It can not.

All muscle needs oxygen to function. If the lungs are collapsed after a true double lung shot there will be no oxygen to the muscle/brian, and those muscles include the heart. The animal will die. If the animal doesn't die it means the shot did not completely collaspe both lungs. It may have touched both but did not puncher/collapse them or cause then to stop functioning completely.
An animal with a heart shot from a broadhead can go for miles since the heart in most animals only has to function at less than 50% in nornmal activity. If it is still functioning near that it can still travel. Once it bleeds out there is nothing to carry the oxygen to the muscle and brian and the animal dies.
Sometimes what appears to be a double lung shot isn't that at all.


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I have never had double lung shot go over sixty yards and most not that far . If you had one last an hour it wasn't a good hit in my opinion.I have had a lot of people that tell you where they hit an animal and it wasn't even close to where it was hit when we tracked it down .

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A heart shot traveling for miles,I've never seen or heard of that happening either.

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A double lung... A REAL DOUBLE LUNG... and the deer will be dead before you gather your gear and get out of the tree. A glancing blow across a heart or one chamber might not be as effective all the time,... but the animal should not be going any mile. Catching the edges of a lung is not the same as punching the center. A deer has to loose about 1 ounce of blood per pound from the circulatory system to pass out. So, 150 deer needs to loose a little over 4 1/2 quarts. It doesn't all have to be on the ground.. just out of the arteries and veins. If the heart shuts down a deer won't loose the blood, but it'll have the same effect and they'll pass out before death. A REAL heart shot looks something like this.<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> This deer didn't put a 1/2 cup of blood on the ground... but didn't go more than 25 yards.

Edited by - davidmil on 01/22/2003 15:48:53

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They only way a heart shot deer is going miles is in the back of a truck.

David you did mean pints not quarts,right?



Edited by - Charlie P on 01/22/2003 15:53:54

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I once put not one, but two arrows through both lungs of a small doe, and a 3rd arrow along its ribs. (It actually stayed around for me to shoot it 3 times.) That little doe covered 1/3 mile through dense woods (not across an open field mind you), bleeding out and required a 2-man tracking job that totaled 7 hours. Field dressing confirmed the 2 lung hits.

I'm convinced that if I had let it alone after the first hit, the deer would have laid down and died quickly under my stand. I think after the 3rd hit, it was able to travel such an extraordinary distance on sheer adrenaline. That of course is very uncharacteristic of other lung hits that I've trailed, which usually last only 25 to 125 yds.

The only other lung hit deer that I recall travelling for some distance was a buck that took an arrow through both shoulder blades. It ran 400 yds, though his escape led across an open field that took just a few seconds.

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stickerpt, I don`t claim to be an animal Doctor, so is this possible?
I don`t know.
I can say that of all the whitetail/muledeer I have taken with a bow, probably 70 of them were taken squarely through both lungs.
The farthest one ever went was 45 yards!
These deer were not wired, they were clueless to my presence, so that may play into it.

Through my experiences in the field, I figure it this way...if they clear the 75 yard mark, they were not punched squarely through the lungs.

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I have been a Bowhunter 45 years now & have taken nearly 150 animals including Deer,Mule Deer, Elk, Black Bear & wild hogs. The 11th of Jan. I went after Russian boars at Got a 25 yd. shot at a decent Boar & &quot;DOUBLE LUNGED&quot; him-you can hear me say &quot;ON the Video&quot; perfect hit-he won't go far. We waited an hour b/4 picking up the blood-lots of it & frothy. We had seen him lay down about 60 yds. from the hit(1-2 min. in time) in tall grass & lost sight of him. We still followed the blood trail knowing he would be where we last saw him- &quot;WRONG&quot; when we got to that spot he had gotten up & moved-all kinds of blood. I told the guide-how the H--L can he be alive. Well another 60 yards & he charged the guide from a cutout in the creek bank (1 1/2 hours now since he was shot)-he missed him with a pistol (slipped & fell on the ice) at 8-10 feet & came charging up by me-I took a 30 yd. shot & missed him. he then went into a bramble filled ravine. We got up to him another 10 min. later & he was backed into & under the brambles waiting for us. Pat got within 15 yds. when he started out & shot him with a 40 cal. rolling him-he got up & I put a 3 Blade rocky mountain thru him again, he tried to get up & then rolled over for the last time. When we gutted him &quot;I&quot; &quot;WANTED&quot; to see all his organs. My 1st arrow was a perfect thru the middle double lung-the bullet went between the shoulder & neck & my 2nd arrow went thru 1 lung & the liver. I still can't beleive it, but Pat (the guide) says he has seen double lungs live for a day. My hog finally expired 2 hours & 10 min. after the 1st hit.
I have had few animals double lunged make it over 50-60 yds. but was amazed at this hog. Many Hog hunters say none of them give up easy.

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AK, I'm not calling you a l... but that it unconceivable if hit squarly in the lungs. I've shot triple figure WT and mulies and a square double lung never went over 100 yds. Must be a super deer!:)

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ahunter55, I have never hunted hogs, but have heard some pretty incredible stories from reliable people on their absolute refusal to die.

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I've shot a few hogs here in florida and they are lots tougher than deer especialy over that 160 175 lb weight they get down right mean .

We all have different oppinions , if we did'nt the world would be a BORING place

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Ok miles may not have been the best description. Thanks for correcting it.:)
I had a Buck that I darn near cut the aortre off and lacerate one chamber go about 400 yards before it dropped on a dead run in front of another hunters stand. He thought he had magic powers until he walked up to the deer.
I also had a low heart hit, dropped the bow on release, go about 600yards before it dropped. That one was in the snow and it was clear it never left it's feet the enter distance.
In both cases the blood trial looked like it was left by a leaky paint can, red and easy to read standing up.

My point was that a true double lung shot is always better than even a clean heart shot like the photo above. A heart will still pump blood even when it has a hole in it and is only 10% or 15% effective if that, where a true double lung shot collapses the lungs and they are 0% effective immediately.

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basserman, Believe me, I was astonished as well. I shot the deer in the evening and spent a few hours tracking it in the dark before losing the blood trail (which started off great but dwindled after 250 yds). I remember the next day very clearly...11:00 am to be specific, sitting on a log with my head between my knees on the verge of giving up with temps in the low 70's. My wife commented that she smelled &quot;deer&quot;, then followed her nose and found it laying in a thick patch of scrub brush two minutes later. The butcher commented that if I had gotten the deer to him an hour later, he probably wouldn't have been able to salvage the meat that he did.

Animals are resilient creatures. With adrenaline (and perhaps a slightly delayed lung collapse), they can apparently travel a fair distance after being hit. Thinking about it though, a deer may be able to cover that amount of ground through dense woods in under 2 or 3 minutes time perhaps. Viewed in that perspective, mabey it shouldn't be so surprising. (?)

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AK Can I rent your wife for trackin?????<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_blush.gif border=0 align=middle>

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I'm not about to challenge anyones honesty or integrity regarding whether a shot was a true &quot;double-lung&quot;. I do believe, however, that its possible to shoot an animal thru both lungs and not collapse them both. Fat or hide could block off one or more entrance/exit holes and prevent the lung from fully collapsing. While unlikely in most circumstances, it is possible and may account for the unusual distances some of these deer are traveling.

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2 years ago, I shot a medium sized doe from about 8 yards. I was at full draw, shifted my weight, and the stand squeeked. The looked right up at me and I released. Luckily I was able to center punch the lungs. That deer ran 200 yards, with a blood trail on both sides a blind man could follow. It only took about 15 seconds before it crashed though. Deer are incredibly fast and hardy animals.

This past season I was hunting at a friends property and shot a nice 8 point from 30 yards with a rifle. The deer jumped at least 6 feet in the air after the shot, and ran down a hollow, across a stream, back up the other side and died on the 4 wheeler trail :). Upon field dressing (I figured heart shot because it jumped), I discovered that a obliderated the lungs, and the heart was intact. The lungs was nothing more than a blood clot. Hunting in a wide open woods, I could see that it took that deer almost 2 minutes (I was timing) before it finally fell to the ground, shook for a few seconds and was done. It was resting itself against 2 trees though, so I know that it was getting tired. I think it mainly depends on the adrenaline, and pure fear.

My bow kill 7 point this year, was spined and dropped instantly, however was still living. I put another arrow through the center of the lungs, and he was dead within 30 seconds. However, I would imagine the sheer panic of not being able to stand and struggleing to get up caused this deer to use up the remaining oxygen very quickly and just &quot;pass out&quot;.

Either way, I think its amazing that they live as long as they do. It just goes to show their will to live and their incredible toughness.

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I've taken a number of deer with heart shots--nearly every one dropped with-in 45 yards and in sight. Most of the lung shot deer went down with-in 100 yards or less. However, I have had a couple that were center shot double-lungers go for up to 500 yards. My broadheads are maintained in perfect razor sharp condition and penetration is near 100% on pass-thru's. Sometimes conditions and certain deer just aren't &quot;convinced&quot; as quickly as others.

BTW--As to the lung shot being better than a heart shot . . . a heart shot <u>has</u> to go through the lungs unless it's straight down--and even then, you'll probably clip at least one edge.

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AK, you better not be messin' around. That wife of yours will smell that perfume in a heartbeat. Or if you do, stay down wind of her until you get a good shower.<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

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DaveH - I have to agree with SJHunter. I have made many heart shots that failed to hit lung. Whether or not the lung gets hits depends on a number of variables. Was the lungs fully expanded with air, or did it just exhale? Was the head down, or up? It makes a difference in regard to the lungs position relative to the heart at the moment the arrow hits.

A number of my heart shot harvests, both bow and muzzleloader, have been directly below the &quot;mushroom cap&quot; line at the artery end. No lung damage. My experiences = less than 30% have hit lung w/ heart.

Conversely to the scenario I posted about my buddy's heart shot 12 in Alabama, the last heart shot I made was a large 6-point in 2001. 100 gr. Vortex dead center through the heart at 22 yards; took a couple of steps, laid down, then fell over on his right side when he passed-out. No lung here either.

That shows me the contrast in how different animal react in varying situations.



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agree-several heart shots with nothing else. heart shot is about 2&quot; from a miss..

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This past fall I shot an adult doe at 18 yards. I thought I had a perfect double lung hit, but she ran about 350 yards out into a field, and I saw her bed down. I snuck out, and came back an hour later. She was dead where I last saw her. There was a terrific blood trail. When I field dressed her, I saw I had hit only one lung and the heart. I have never had a double lung hit deer go further than 60 yards. A deer can go a ways on a single lung or heart shot.

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Thanks for the replies guys. It is indeed hard
to fathom how an animal can live more than a
couple minutes with a hole through both lungs.
I cant say for sure if it was a double lunger
but I saw John McClellon in Awesome Bulls II
video a huge bull that he had just put an arrow
through. You can clearly see the hole in its
side but the bull was trotting as if nothing
was wrong. Is it possible to hit above the heart
and miss the lungs?

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stickerpt,

I thought I had hit a small deer above the heart and below the lungs without having a fatal shot. But looking at the deer anatomy pictures on line I wonder, there doesn't seem to be any way when shooting from the ground.

http://home.mn.rr.com/deerfever/Anatomy.html

I was shooting Bear razorheads and got a pass through about 4 inches above the bottom of the deer - well front of center. I was only about 15 yards away but my nock had slipped.

People have five lobes to their two lungs. Is hitting two lobes in one lung a worse hit than hitting one lobe in each of two lungs? Maybe there is more to this than just hitting both lungs?

beprepn