Why Do People Lie?
 

Well I had a nice bomb dropped on me today. I called my now ex-father-in-law to talk to him about when he was heading to hunting camp this year for PA's opening day of rifle season. And I was told I am now not welcome there anymore. I was actually planning on using my bow this year and leaving the gun at home, oh well so much for that. Well to take a few steps back, I am recently divorced but I had a great relationship with my ex-father-in-law, I was more a son to him than his own son was. We did everything together. Him and I still talk quite a bit and have a beer together now and then. Even this summer and fall when I ran into the owners of the camp I used to go to I asked them if I was still welcome there and they told me yes I am still welcome to come. I thought great until today when I was toldby my ex-father-in-law that I am no longer welcome because the owners talked about it and they said they want it to be a family thing and since I am no longer related to my ex-father-in-law that they don't want me there anymore. To me something stinks to high heaven about this. My first reaction is that my ex had something to do with this. Either her new BF is now going in my place or she asked her father to not have me go. I don't know, but I am pretty upset and pissed off about it!!! MY gut tells me I am being lied to and I freaking hate that!!!. Just tell me the truth and I can deal with that. But anyway it seems like I have lost what I thought was a good friend in my ex-father-in-law, I thought he always told me the truth but I guess not. Oh well gotta get busy and decide where Im hunting opening day. Thanks for letting me vent guys, Hope everyones season is going great.

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Liars and thieves are the lowest of lows in my opinion. Like you, tell me the truth and deal with it.

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You said it Rob! Just tell me the truth and I can deal with that. The sad part of it is that I did what my ex asked me and not filled her father in on all the details of our divorce because he was extremely pissed at her for not trying to work things out, and I never told him about the boyfriend she had less than a month after we got seperated. Oh well what comes around goes around. They will get theirs.

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PA, been there done that. Sorry about your luck, but remember blood is always thicker than water. It sux but its ttrue.

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The sad part about it TeeJay is that my ex-father-in-law is not related to these people. Just longtime friends. Hmmmmmm Maybe my ex-father-in-law would love to know about the 50+yr old man who has been married 5 times his 31yr old daughter has been shacked up with, less than a month after she asked for a divorce?

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Let it go man, it is not worth throwing rocks. As hard as it may be trust me on this one. I heard the old you will always be my brother. Pfffft ya right. Just let go and find some one new to live/hunt with. I did and am much better off.

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Oh I have TeeJay, I have found a wonderful woman who is everything I ever wanted and more, She is the love of my life. I am just saddened by the fact that I lost what I thought was a good friend in my ex-father-in-law and that I am being lied to. I just needed to vent.

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i feel you but i can understand how he most be loyal to his daughter and not you but he could be honest with you

if the owner said you could be there just go i would lol

call the owner and ask if you can bow hunt there off the time the camp is going on

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Hang in there buddy! Tough times to be had when there's lieing going on, what comes around goes around eventually! Good luck hunting!

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Hang in there it gets better I know Ive been there except my EX said they wanted nothing to do with me so I let it go...THENthis summer I called my ex-brother-in-law on a whim(its been 10 yrs)and told them
what there sister told me and theywere in aww.All these yrs they thought it was me.Anyway nxt time I go up north we are gitting together to have some good old Fun and catch up on the last 10 yrs...
Hope you get to go back to the camp with your New Girlfriend......

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My ex'es stabbed me in the back too, HARD. I actually blame them for my divorce, I think they talked her into it giving me a BS story the whole time.

I had a similar thing as you happen to me with my gun hunting spot. There were three of us (all named Paul) hunting a friends land, the guy that owned it and the other two of us. We built three identical blinds one winter that were really nice. 300 bucks a piece just in materials. I was a bit hesitant being I didn't have a lot of money. They said it would be an investment and would pay off years down the road and they would last a long time since we built them so well. And I was welcome to hunt as long as I wanted. I would be happy I spent the money in 10 or 15 years.

Well skip ahead two years and the guys wife doesn't want us hunting there anymore, our buddy talks her into letting us hunting one week out of the two. The next year he is getting a divorce and his wife doesn't even live there anymore. Three days into the first week of season he tells us we can't hunt there anymore.

He said he had to drop his liability insurance and he was afraid something would happen if one of us got hurt. We assured him neither one of us would sue him and we would sign a statement or waver to that effect. We even offered to pay his insurance for him if he was that worried about. My buddy even offered to pay him to hunt there if it was a money thing.

He told us no, he made up his mind and didn't want us hunting there anymore. It was like a kick in the teeth, very sudden and it hurt.

It was a nice place to hunt, but the part I miss more is meeting up at the end of the day or during lunch sometimes and just shooting the crap about what we saw or didn't see. We all got a long really well and the other two of us were really shocked when he told us that.

I hope things work out for you. If this is the worst thing that happens to you in your divorce consider yourself lucky. Mine ruined me both mentally and financially

Good luck,
Paul

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Its hard to know what might have been said between your ex and her daddy. if you are really good friends with her dad then talk to him and tell him youd like to continue the relationship you had with him, even tho you arent with his daughter.

but you gotta understand that he probably doesnt want his daughter getten pissy with him because hes hanging out with you...so thats probably why your not going on the hunt...

family does come first...i know i put my immediate family way before mygood friends, thats the way it is...but i have a couple friends that i consider family...and i treat them as such...but if i had too i would put blood first....

but i also think that ifi had a hunting relationship witha inlaw...im not gonna stop hunting with them because of a break up....hunting buddies are hunting buddies and thats the way it is with me anyway...

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bloodcreek is a liar, but he is honest about it. BAM!

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Bottom line, divorces are ugly. I got along really well with my first father-in-law too. But soon after the split, he called me up and chewed on me pretty good about a bunch of stuff my ex told him about me, none of which was true. One thing that stuck with me was how upset he got with me for not paying the house note and how he had to give my ex money to pay the bills. The problem with that was I had been making payments the whole time, so why did she want that much money? He didn't believe me, so I faxed him the cancelled checks from my statement. I also found out my ex had taken out several credit cards in my name and maxed them out without making any payments. When the old guy found out I as telling the truth, he got even angrier with me than before. Figure that out. Come to think of it, he may have just been upset that his daughter got arrested for forgery, theft, threats, damage to property, unauthorized use of a moveable, and false personation of an officer.:D Nah, that couldn't be it.

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Ditto this!!!! As much as you hate to lose a good hunting spot, and what you thought was a friend, once things change, they are changed forever. She'll always be his DAUGHTER. Be it, good, bad, or really ugly, that BLOOD will almost always be thicker than water. Been there, done that!!! All I can say is, "Sorry for your loss."

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That sucks sorry 2 hear that!

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Thanks everyone, Yeah I understand the part about blood being thicker than water part. And I was concerned about the whole camp thing from the beginning of our seperation and the divorce. So thats why I went to the owners of the camp and asked them If I was still welcome and I even asked my ex-father-in-law and it was fine all summer long, But now its not. And the BS reason I was told is a joke. Oh well if they want to be like that then let them. Karma is a bitch. They will not get a friendly hello from me next time I see them. And the worst part is I will miss sitting down with my ex-father-in-law and having a beer and just shooting the bull about everything because I think his a my friendship is officially over.

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Well shoot I can understand Ex Inlaws.But what about Inlaws that say you can hunt their place then run you off because you are killing Deer there.Plus get this my Mother in Law called the Law on me because I killed a Turkey.Everything was Legal so they couldn't do anything.But its the idea she did this.

big rockpile

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I have been there man, but so far I am still welcome to hunt the family land. I have had run ins with some of the guys that hunt up there but luckily the ex father in law sticks up for me. I try to help the family out with wood cutting and other little things.

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That sucks!....I agree....just tell it to me :(

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Well get a grip buddy. I don't know that they lied to you. They simply told you you're not welcome anymore. Evidently you don't pay any dues or fees and were a guest. It seems the only reason you were there was because you were the son-in-law. Now you're not. They value your X-father-in-law enough not to make him uncomfortable. You may have been pals or friends with him..... but when the deal with his little girl went south so did all priviledges and bonds. Don't call them a liar. They told you how it is.... they don't want you there anymore. If the new boy friend fills you spot... so be it. Get on with life. You can't hang onto the father-in-law.

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If you really dig the woman you are with today, think of it as a blessing.

Move on, or else eventually she might get the feeling that you are trying to hold to what was, rather than the future with her.

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Well Davidmil when you are told by your ex-father-in-law that he wants to stay friends and things you expect things to stay that way. And then when You ask all parties involved in the decision making if you are still welcome at camp (Might I say I asked multiple times) and they all look you in the eye and say yes you still expect to be able to go to camp. The camp does not have dues. The only money that is paid is for all the beer and food for the time you stay there. You have to understand the situation to know why I think im being lied to. Anyway it doesn't matter, I have other places to hunt and im over it. I personally feel its for the best to have them completely out of my life. Anyway its over and done with. It just hurts to loose a friend.