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Mike from Texas 11-21-2007 07:02 AM
RE: Mathews????
 
ORIGINAL: Rick James

ORIGINAL: Mike from Texas

I've seen posts of Mathews limb failures as well; makes sense because they use the same suppliers.
They certainly do not use the same suppliers, that is fact.
Unless they recetly changed, I was under the impression that they both got their limbs from Gordon Glass. Is that not correct?

Rick James 11-21-2007 07:10 AM
RE: Mathews????
 
ORIGINAL: TerryM
I don't like "any" bow that is made with draw length specific cams so likely wouldn't buy a Mathews or a Hoyt.
One last thing.........there is a reason they have draw specific cams, and as a short draw archer this should concern you. When you make a cam that has many different modules you lose efficiency over the range. A cams complete profile is designed for best efficiency at a certain draw length, not just where the module screws on. Most modular bows are designed for 29", with mods to adjust elsewhere. If you aren't shooting at 29", then your losing speed that you could have had if the cam was designed for your draw length. A module is a band aid to make changes easier for the shop that sells them, and so the shop has to invest less overhead into parts to make bows fit people. Yes it's a pain in the butt, but if you want the most efficiency out of a bow (and yes this is a measurable amount in performance at unusual draw lengths) then you need a cam that has the entire profile designed for a specific draw length.

Last year there were specific bows in published reviews that I won't mention names of that advertised VERY high efficiency numbers and didn't do so well when actually measured for efficiency at normal draw lengths. As a matter of fact, when measuring efficiency numbers on this test theDrenalin actually took the cake. This is because each Mathews cam is engineered for the specific draw length, Mathews refuses to compromise the efficiency of a cam to accomodate what is easier for the dealer. Short draw archers lose enough speed because of being short, but add in the fact that most of them are shooting a cam that isn't optimized for their draw length and they are losing even more.

Would you buy a bow that is 2" too long for you and then simply take enough twists out of the cable and add enough to the string to make it fit? ;)

Rick James 11-21-2007 07:10 AM
RE: Mathews????
 
ORIGINAL: Mike from Texas

ORIGINAL: Rick James

ORIGINAL: Mike from Texas

I've seen posts of Mathews limb failures as well; makes sense because they use the same suppliers.
They certainly do not use the same suppliers, that is fact.
Unless they recetly changed, I was under the impression that they both got their limbs from Gordon Glass. Is that not correct?
Gordon hasn't supplied Mathews for a looooooong time.

goherd1111 11-21-2007 07:28 AM
RE: Mathews????
 
Wow!!! this thread is up over a 100 posts. I never envisioned this much activity when I started this thread. Kinda like that damn energizer bunny it keeps going and going and going. LOL!! By the way I shoot a bowtech and it's the best bow made!!!![8D][8D][8D] I hope no one has taken this thread personally. A good debate is always fun. Hope you guys all have a happy turkey day tommorrow.

MichaelHunsucker 11-21-2007 07:31 AM
RE: Mathews????
 
ORIGINAL: Rick James

It seems to have become the "popular" thing to not like Mathews.
A lot of people don't like Jeff Gordon, but from what i understand he is one heck of a racer (im not a big NASCAR fan)

I don't shoot a Mathews, but i have and they are great bows. I, along with others (I think), were just expecting something more from them.

I think that people like and sometimes EXPECTinnovation and new changes, but i think Mathews modo is "If it ain't broke, dont fix it"

If Mathews came out with a center pivot bow, the bashing would still be going on and people would be proclaiming that they stole Bowtechs ideas...

All in all BASHING IS INEVITABLE when you have several great companies competing so rigorously in this industry...

Red Boar 11-21-2007 07:34 AM
RE: Mathews????
 
ORIGINAL: Rick James

ORIGINAL: TerryM
I don't like "any" bow that is made with draw length specific cams so likely wouldn't buy a Mathews or a Hoyt.
One last thing.........there is a reason they have draw specific cams, and as a short draw archer this should concern you. When you make a cam that has many different modules you lose efficiency over the range. A cams complete profile is designed for best efficiency at a certain draw length, not just where the module screws on. Most modular bows are designed for 29", with mods to adjust elsewhere. If you aren't shooting at 29", then your losing speed that you could have had if the cam was designed for your draw length. A module is a band aid to make changes easier for the shop that sells them, and so the shop has to invest less overhead into parts to make bows fit people. Yes it's a pain in the butt, but if you want the most efficiency out of a bow (and yes this is a measurable amount in performance at unusual draw lengths) then you need a cam that has the entire profile designed for a specific draw length.

Last year there were specific bows in published reviews that I won't mention names of that advertised VERY high efficiency numbers and didn't do so well when actually measured for efficiency at normal draw lengths. As a matter of fact, when measuring efficiency numbers on this test theDrenalin actually took the cake. This is because each Mathews cam is engineered for the specific draw length, Mathews refuses to compromise the efficiency of a cam to accomodate what is easier for the dealer. Short draw archers lose enough speed because of being short, but add in the fact that most of them are shooting a cam that isn't optimized for their draw length and they are losing even more.

Would you buy a bow that is 2" too long for you and then simply take enough twists out of the cable and add enough to the string to make it fit? ;)
Great posts, Matt...thanks for clearing that issue up. I knew there was a very good reason and continue to be glad that Mathews doesn't compromise. Happy Thanksgiving to you! :)

TerryM 11-21-2007 08:13 AM
RE: Mathews????
 
ORIGINAL: Red Boar

Fair enough, Terry. Out of curiosity, what is the disadvantage of draw length specific cams? As an adult, my draw length won't change, will it? Since I am buying the bow for me, I want it to fit me exactly. Is it just a resale issue? Best regards.
Strictly a resale issue. Especially since I have a short ( 26 1/2" ) draw length.

TerryM 11-21-2007 08:20 AM
RE: Mathews????
 
ORIGINAL: Rick James

ORIGINAL: TerryM
I don't like "any" bow that is made with draw length specific cams so likely wouldn't buy a Mathews or a Hoyt.
One last thing.........there is a reason they have draw specific cams, and as a short draw archer this should concern you. When you make a cam that has many different modules you lose efficiency over the range. A cams complete profile is designed for best efficiency at a certain draw length, not just where the module screws on. Most modular bows are designed for 29", with mods to adjust elsewhere. If you aren't shooting at 29", then your losing speed that you could have had if the cam was designed for your draw length. A module is a band aid to make changes easier for the shop that sells them, and so the shop has to invest less overhead into parts to make bows fit people. Yes it's a pain in the butt, but if you want the most efficiency out of a bow (and yes this is a measurable amount in performance at unusual draw lengths) then you need a cam that has the entire profile designed for a specific draw length.

Last year there were specific bows in published reviews that I won't mention names of that advertised VERY high efficiency numbers and didn't do so well when actually measured for efficiency at normal draw lengths. As a matter of fact, when measuring efficiency numbers on this test theDrenalin actually took the cake. This is because each Mathews cam is engineered for the specific draw length, Mathews refuses to compromise the efficiency of a cam to accomodate what is easier for the dealer. Short draw archers lose enough speed because of being short, but add in the fact that most of them are shooting a cam that isn't optimized for their draw length and they are losing even more.

Would you buy a bow that is 2" too long for you and then simply take enough twists out of the cable and add enough to the string to make it fit? ;)
I have heard this explanation many times but it doesn't hold water with me. If I can buy a bowtech product or elite product that will yield the highest speeds in its category along with with excellent draw curve characteristics, I see no reason why Hoyt or Mathews can't also provide this. If the modular adjustable cammed bows actually performed less I would go along with it but it seems quite the opposite. I think it has more to do with companies sticking to a single cam design for years due to marketing investments and those cams just don't lend themselves to change or development.

PreacherTony 11-21-2007 09:48 AM
RE: Mathews????
 
ORIGINAL: Rick James

Guys honestly, this thread really doesnt' need to have bashing in it. Why not keep that in PM's to eachother? Honestly, it gets quite old........the bows out there these days are so close in comparison that the biggest difference will ALWAYS be the shooter behind it.
Great preachin' Matt! The brand loyalty thing is VERY old .... and it shows how many guys are afraid what the Jones's are shooting ....

PABuck_HNTR 11-21-2007 06:44 PM
RE: Mathews????
 
and it shows how many guys are afraid what the Jones's are shooting ....
What are the Jones's shooting ??? I need to know!:D


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