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I was watching a gettin close eps..today from last week.

They were in Canada hunting big bucks

On day two lee got a velvet buck

And on day three they were standing around looking at it and scoring it . They were all in cool weather clothes . And lee even said lets get him in the cooler the flys are getting him .

Did not even look like he was field dressed

What the heck i have seen a few post about how they act and the shots they take.

Is it just me or does it seem like there there to show off companies and get some big racks and could care less what happen to the deer before and after the shot .

I have always been told you get the deer cold as soon as possible not stand around and look at the rack .

I would think you would get it field dress and cold and butchered then worry about the rack..

Sad day when even the pros we look up to . Do not seem to have any respect for the animal that they just killed .

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To be honest, I watched the same show and wondered the same thing. Even after day 3, I believe day 7 when Don shot his buck they showed the two bucks laying and posed together. That would be 5 days without skinning the animal....? ? ? Don't they eat them? Weird....

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my guessis they donate the meat or just trash it i have not finished watching it is on dvr let me go see

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If they are keeping it in a walkin cooler, you can hang them for 5+ days with nothing to be worried about. Just like with beef, its better if its aged. Lots of people will hang a side of beef for several days.All that skinning them would do is dry it out and loose meat. As long as the deer is field dressed and washed out and kept in the cooler its no big deal to pull it out for a few minutes to take some pictures.

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I watched an eps. a while back where Tiffany got a nice buck on their farm. They left the buck hanging in their barn for days and I don't think it was gutted either.

I hate to say it, but yes. I think they just throw the meat away.[:'(][:'(]

On a better note....damn Tiffany is hott!:eek:

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Wait, I was just getting ready to write something to the affect that they probably clean the deer up for presentation sake, but ya same deer days later with skin. Didn't hit me until you guys said it.

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I was thinking on the Eps. that I watched that in Iowa ( think thats where their farm is) that it gets cold enough during deer season to keep the deer just hanging like that in a barn, but it didn't look gutted?

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I hope they donate the meat, but after sitting around for 3 days without being field dressed I don't know who'd want to eat that.

They must kill so many deer between the two of them that they probably don't eat all that venison themselves.

I hope those animals died for something more noble than just TV ratings and product marketing. I'd probably quit watching hunting shows if I found out they just dump the meat and keep thehide and antlers for a mount in the name of selling more scentlok suits or bad boy buggies.

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i finished wasting it on dvr they did rag it out five days later did not look like either where field dress

nor skinned

as for aging i read and posted two different links that said aging deer that were shot in 60 plus temps was a waste of time because if it is killed in high temps around 65 and does not run for hundreds of yards the heat quick ages it . And it also said that aging deer is not recommend because due to the low fat it drys it out and since there is no fat it does not get to much more tender.

but it did say a max of 3to 5 days would not hurt if keep at around 33 to 38 degrees

what i have a problem with is that they let the deer sit to take a stupid picture of the two together

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Please tell me you guys are not serious ...and are saying this stuff with no proof . Are you really telling me that taking the time to take some pics is going to ruin the meat? You guys really look for something to dis these people and even if there is nothing there you make it up.

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3 days without being gutted? How many pics do they need?

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Excuse me? Did you watch the show? The facts speak for themselves. The deer was not skinned for several days. What's made up? No one said that taking time to take pictures is going to ruin the meat, NO ONE. I think you made that one up. No one is dis'n these "people", I'm questioning what I saw, and it's right there on the show. He shot his buck day 2, he was posing with the same non skinned deer on day 7 when Don shot his buck. Nothing made up there. Yup it was in a cooler but I certainly would have skinned the deer day 2.

bigtime, I agree...every aspect of venison process says NOT to age venny, beef yes, venison no.

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Watching the rerun on right now and it is def gutted and they are in Alberta, I guess its cold up there.

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It should come to no surprise to them that they were booted off of their regular Buffalo County, Wisconsin farm this year. I'll be looking forward to their 2007 footage to see what they came up with in Wisconsin.

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I don't like it, but the fact of the matter is that pros are just that, professional hunters. They make their living by hunting and collecting money from sponsors. They are there to sell product. Big racks sell product and two big racks together are even better. These folks are not doing what they are doing to put food in the freezer. Think about how many big bucks Lee and Tiffany take each year, and each one is well over 200 pounds. Can you imagine how much meat that would give them? Even if they ate venison for breakfast, lunch, and dinner, which if you watch the show you know they don't because Tiff doesn't do a whole lotta cooking, they still wouldn't be able to finish that much meat in a year between the two of them. They are hunting horns plain and simple to make their sponsors happy. If they get some meat out of the deal that's a bonus. The horns are their job and that is what this industry is about.

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Well I might learn something, here. Don't age venison? What are you gonna do with the meat? If I were gonna grind it up for burger or make sausage out f it.....OK. But I like a few of the cuts to be prepared JUST the way I prepare my steaks.....and I want those cuts aged a bit. I've always done it this way (in the time I've been hunting), and it's been just fine. Am I taking an unneccesary step (Aging)?

Also....what's wrong with aging them with the skin on? Is there something that could happen to the meat with the skin on (At those temps)? Just trying to learn something, here.

If they didn't gut them, then, again....unchartered waters, for me. I don't know what happens to the meat when the entrails are left intact....but I don't KNOW, either (one way or the other.....and I'm not about to find out;)).

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Rob, did you miss the part where they said it was in the cooler? Not everyone skins their deer right away.....If the temps are right (or its in a cooler), I'll let mine hang for a week before I skin it.....and I won't skin it until I cut it up.

I saw absolutely nothing wrong with what they did in the show.

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I will bet you any money they donate the meat they do not use......as for the rest of your diatribe ....wake up. do you work for nothing. Or is it because it is deer hunting and there is this mystical spirtual job that they should work for free.

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I saw the show earlier and heard him say something about the flies and thought it was weird but when they lifted him off the truck and set him on the ground he was 100% positive field dressed. It was September so it was too hot to leave him out so my guess is they gutted him, put him in the cooler then took him out of the cooler the next day or day after, set him on the truck and measured his antlers, then put him back in the cooler. We put ours in a 35 degree cooler for a week with the hide still on em. So i was wondering the same thing at first but feel that they did nothing wrong here. 3 dandy bucks they killed in September i must say...

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Saw the cooler part my friend but I also saw the flys on it, wasnt' that cool out. No big deal but 5 days with the skin on it. NOT me.

I skin mine ASAP. I might let it hang over night if cool enough without the skin to allow the meat to SET, not age necessarily. The meat cuts better when SET, butcher taught me that. Ever aspect of venison that I've learned, (not that I'm right) was to cool it immediately and that was with the skin off, it does that much faster.

I guess there is alot of misconceptions and practices with venison and not necessarily wrong, just different.

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I didn't watch the show but thought I would add my .02. I leave the skin on my dear untill I butcher them since it will keep the meat moist and the bugs off of it (if there happens to be any). I also let them hang for about 5 days or so. The one post is how I feel...I want my venison to age like a steak. The enzymes that break down the tissue in beef does the same to venison! There is no harm in doing it as long as you keep the temp. from 40 deg down to about 35 or so. If the temp is in the upper 30s to 40 deg. I dont let it hang for quite as long as when the temp is just above freezing. Old timers used to let thier deer hang for a week or more before they butchered it up. Hang it or cut it up right away and they should both taste fine.

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X2!!!!

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During the late season when temps are well below freezing I have no problem leaving the skin on and hanging for a few days. If he temps are borderline then I skin it right away so it can cool. Warmer weather like 35 or above then it gets skun and cut asap.

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I am glad I am not the only one that sees how "commericalized" they have become!!..

Mr. Java just laughs at me now.. I can't help but roll my eyes...

Tell you what..

I really want to see Tiffany drag and gut her deer.

She will gain my respect back if I see proof..

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Oops, I guess I need to go back to 1st grade and learn to read.[&:] LOL

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Buddy, I don't need to wake up, I'm fully awake with coffee in hand. For someone who said not to make accusations you're pretty presumptuous. First off, I would never compare what I do for a living with what they do. I have a job, they get paid to hunt. I also never said that they shouldn't get paid, that is what they do. What I don't like is how they (and others) have become slaves to the sponsors. That's the business though,so there is no way around it.

I also doubt very seriously that their meat goes to waste, and is not at all what I was saying. Even if for the simple fact that if they did waste the meat that would eventually come out in the media and make both them and their sponsors look bad. I'm sure they give the meat to someone who wants it or donate it as you said. Let's not kid ourselves though, they're not shooting all those deer for charity. It's money in the bank, because for them hunting is how they make money and sponsor pressure calls for the footage. No footage, no sponsors. No sponsors, no money. If that happens it's off to some crappy 9 to 5 and scrapingfor time to hunt like the rest of us. So, let's be realistic and not call it WORK.

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Me too you skin it and it gets all dried out. That's why in a meat house the wrap the beef in a moist cloth.

I try to shoot my meat does when the weather is right and I can hang it. If it's warm and you want to cool it down quick, open it up lay it down and pack it in ice. I use blocks and cubes. If you have some old tarps or blankets wrap the thing up and you'll be surprised how quickly you'll drop the temp of the meat down.

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If it's 45 or less I'll hang it for 3 days skin on and it's great. If it's warmer skin it right away and process.

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I really don't lioke this show, too much bad comedy, but really don't see anything wrong with hanging meat with the skin on.

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Whywould anyonegive a rip if they skinned their deer?

So apparently they guttedtheir deerand put it in a cooler...what is wrong with that?

I have let deer hang for days with the hide on for days on many occasions.

It is also funny that people are wondering if they eat all the deer they shoot?

Can you imagine how many pounds of venison that would probably be?

If they donated the meat then good for them. I doubt that it is just thrown away.

Sorry guys but hunting shows are about getting footage of big bucks...not venison steaks.

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This is my point exactly. Well said.

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For that, flip to the Food Network. Iron Chef America - Venison Challenge!! Now, that's some tasty eats!

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What I mean by my quote is that I really don't think that most people who watch these shows (myself included) care about how they are preparing their meat or who is eating it.

I eat some of my deer and other times I donate it to the food pantry or give it away. Mymain reason for hunting is not for meat...it is the thrill ofhunting big bucks thatmotivates me.

I would rather eat a ribeye beef steak any day over venison.

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True, I would venture to guess that most guys on this site hunt for sport rather than a need for food. I think what got everyone cranked was that there was an impression that there was a disregard for the meat, and that a photo opp was taking priority. If this was the case , which fortunately we have established that it wasn't, it would be due to the point we were both making and that is that the show is about watching big bucks being taken to promote the sponsors and their product.

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i have the complete eps. where this happen would you like to see it i have the proof.

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i understand that they are there to kill big bucks to get paid i do not see it as a job but hunting and getting paid i have no problem with that .

If flys are out then the deer should be butchered and frozen or fridge till ate .


as for aging that another fight lol I do understand that some of you wont your deer to feel and taste like steaks

but do you understand how they age store bought meat in 65 degree weather for three days with special lights to kill any Bactria makes me sick thinking my meat was at 65 degree for three days that came fromthe university of Wyoming

also i think it shows them as beign sold out that there intro video is pictures and video of them around equipment that ha there sponsors logo on it . again i know there there to get paid but dam come on .

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Who cares what they do with their deer. They produce a hunting show not a field dressing show. And I for one think they make one heck of a show...one of the best. For the comment about them dragging and gutting their own deer, they are one private land with an outfitter. If anyone not just t.v. stars....but anyone, goes to an outfitter they do it all for you. Thats part of the lure and price and why people are willing to pay so much. Your not just paying for the deer but lodging, food and taking care of your deer. Most of them even vacum seal it and ship it to your house or wherever. They arent going to waste the meat either. Like people have said they donate the extra believe that. They(hunters) are under enough criticism already they arent going to add more to it. Well thats my 2 cents.....just joind last week great forum.

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Ithought the issue was they did not GUT the deer for several days. I agree that leaving the skin on in a cooler is not a big deal, but not gutting them seems gross to me...

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There is quite a bit of time and care that goes into preping the animal before any photos are taken. That is why it looked as though the deer wasn't gutted.

None of the celebs waste the animals they shoot. The meat is donated to different local organizations.

No need to assume something is amiss because you don't understand the situation.

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I (and I think we) really don't know what happens to the meat post kill. What I don't understand is this. Why would they not donate what they won't use.I'm sure they wouldn't have to do any of the work themselves, plus they could get some good publicity out of the deal. Not to mention, they'd be helping a lot of people.

Why not make it a disclaimer on the show? Or do a 10 sec. bit every couple of shows about how all their extra meat goes to such and such organization? Frankly, I'd be disappointed if they didn't. So what if they're professional hunters? They can still kill animals. Just use the publicity and resources to promote a worthy cause like Hunters for the Hungry, etc. To simply throw the meat away, in my opinion, would be irresponsible.