Your thoughts on Whisker Biscuits????
 

I'm sure this has been discussed on here before, but I must have missed it. All I've heard is how great Whisker Biscuits are. Everyone that I've talked to that uses them for hunting love them to death. Does anyone that uses or has used them have any things that they don't like about them(other than having to thread your arrow into them) Please only opinions of people that have actually used them at one time or are currently using them.

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I got a whisker bisquit for christmas and have been using it ever since. i like it allot. Threading the arrow through the bisquit does not really bother me, u get use to doing it very quick and it becomes natural.i have been shooting it everyday for almost 2wks so far and not have any complaints. I would recomend it to anyone.

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I think there awesome !! I shoot 3d, darts, and hunt and havent had a problem at all there accurate and very easy to work with. You cant go wrong.

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I think they are junk. I had one on my bow and absolutely hated it. I would have to re-fletch my arrows after about every 20 shots. After about 5-6 they would start to crinkle. It is exactly opposite of what you want it a rest, it produces drag and everything. I could never get good arrow flight out of it. I switched to a Nap 2000 Drop Awaw and get perfect flight, out of the exact same set up. I average about 25-30 points better in bowshoots now that I switched. Save yourself the money and don't get one.




Edited by - huntinfool14 on 01/09/2003 21:27:59

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I have been shooting one for a little while now. I am toying with several rests now that season is over. I will say that for the bow hunter the WB has many outstanding features. No arrow fall off, simple tough, and quiet. The quiet part is provided you are shooting a quiet carbon arrow with a "slick" finish. I have found it very easy and forgiving to tune. I have modified it every way possible and found that what works best for me is to trim the back side flat, and leave the front untouched. I used to cut a slot in the top for easier arrow loading, but now I just load from the back. The rest is stronger this way and once you get used to it it's not hard at all.
As for vanes ripping off, they can if you use the wrong vanes and glue. I have found Arizona vanes with the fast set gel hold tough and do not wrinkle. Duravanes are also excellent. Feathers don't hold up as well, they get "fuzzy" on the ends which makes them louder in flight. The still fly well, but I think the WB is best used with the proper Vanes. It is not perfect, you will have to find a good vane and glue that stick well to the arrow, and learn to reload the arrow. I have also found that 4" fletch works best. For me right now, combining ease of tune, good accuracy, and the simple durable features with no arrow fall off the WB is leading the pack for my new hunting rest next year. You have to be willing to work with it, but I think it will be worth it for most bowhunters.

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I have shot about 300-400 arrow aout of mine already and not had a sigle problem or fletching ripping off.

Huntinfool, maybe it is just poor fletching job on your arrows because my fletchings are just as good when i first got my arrows. except for a little black on the edges but whos cares about that! I like it and plan on using it for hunting next year. maybe if i have a problem w/ it i will switch to a drop away but until then i will keep my same setup.

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I had 2 whisker biscuits, first the original and then the newer one with the block so you can slide it back and forth without it leaning forward or back(like in the original.
That said, now i have a new rest, lol
I thought maybe i got a bad one the first time around, tried 3 different biscuits on the second one and I still have fletching problems
not that they would rip off, they would just get REALLY wavy. Like someone said above me, i got black on them, and the fletchings would get wavy, and would make a "FSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSST" sound in flight. So i finally gave up and moved on.
it does have a few advantages though, such as no arrow fall off, very quiet to draw back, etc.


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5 SHOT,I couldn't agree more. I have shot one now for 2 years & have not had 1 single problem. As for drag there is a very small amount.

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On balance, I like mine a lot. I've arrowed 4 bucks in two years with it, with no "string jump" or excess noise. I shoot Easton 2117's with 125 gr. 3-blade Muzzy's out of a 65# Hoyt and I do get some wavy fletching after several dozen shots, but I'll take 5-Shot's advice on different fletching/glue combos. I hunt about half the time from the ground in pretty heavy cover and, for those conditions, it's perfect. I trimmed the backside flat, had no trouble tuning, and get good arrow flight. As for quick loading, this is pretty much a one-shot sport for me, so that's not a big issue .

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I don't but my hunting partner Erie Jim does. He likes it alot, second season with it and many arrows later...



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I used one this year early and then went to a drop away. I liked it a lot. When practicing it could be hard on fletches if you didn't put a little fletch tite around the tips of the fletches. It made my vanes wavy after awhile too. But for hunting, you never had to worry about dropping the arrow and once tuned they allowed me to get tight groups. I passed it on to my 10 year old because he was having trouble with his arrow falling off his rest

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I just got one, andd have been shooting it for a few weeks. No problems at all, easy to tune, and quiet as a mouse with my ICS Hunters. I've already decided it'll stay, and I won't be putting my NAP2000 dropaway back on. Much better hunting rest, and my groups are the same.

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I dislike the concept because it goes against everything I've been taught for 32 years. We strive for perfect arrow and fletching clearance, a nice smooth release etc etc ..... and then throw on a Whisker Bisquit(Can you say that on the internet?) and create all kinds of contact. Yes I know it's repeatable contact... but it just goes against principle and teachings. I haven't seen any pros running out to put one on their bow. As far as an arrow falling off a rest, how often does that really happen if you practice regularly? Now you take the Muzzy..... absolutely NO contact, reliable, no arrow fall off and it's deadly. A much better choice to me. When ever I see someone(except 5 shot<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>) trying a WB I figure it's to make up for lack of practice.<img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle> I know, bad assumption.... but to me the WB is just a gimmick.

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David, I wouldnt talk unless you've tried it. Lack of practice? I dont think so... i practice with my bow everyday and yet unless i have problems with it, there will still be a whisker bisquit on my bow.

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The whisker bisquit is a very, very effective hunting rest and inherently more accurate than most of us can shoot.

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Hey David...History shows that principles and teaching aren't always right.......<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

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He ask for opinions. I gave him mine. It's more than theory that a clean untouched arrow flies better than one fighting through resistance, drag and interference. It's not principles I based my opinions on... it's physics. I've stood side by side with folks(very competetant archers/teachers) who played with them, experimented with them and tried them for hunting. They all took them off after playing around and went to a better more reliable rest. My opinion is just that. Yours is yours. Perhaps what we strive for or our standards are different. I want a clean flying arrow. The problems with arrows falling off rest etc etc can be corrected with proper practice and training. Everyone who has one seems to have had to modify, cut chunks out of the housing, take off fibers or find a special glue for their arrows to make the thing work.

Edited by - davidmil on 01/10/2003 15:33:06

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I've used the WB for the last 6 months, and plan on using it next year too. For those that plan on doing some spot and stalk hunting, I think it is the cat's meow. It is reassuring that while sitting on the ground hunting, you don't have to worry about bumping a twig or weed and having it come off the rest. And as for drag being a concern, I don't concider the loss of 1,2, or even 3 f.p.s. much to loose any sleep over.

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What happens in snow or freezing snow if it gets in the bristles?

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Have not had a problem with snow getting in the bristles either

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Me and my dad have been using them for a long time now, and i have had no problems with it at all. as for it tearing up vanes ive never had any problem of that nature, maybe somethign was up with the way they was fletched? ive hunted with it in pouring rains and sometimes below freezing temps. and it shoots just as good as it would on a warm dry day. for hunting you can get no better of a rest, no buts about it, the only thing i could see a downside to would be if you was shootin aluminums there could be a noise factor but with carbons is ultra quiet.
There will always be those who wanna joke about it but i will challenge them to a shoot with mine any day of the week.
And david i like you man, but maybe the so called &quot;pros&quot; dont know as much as they think they do. I can understand the less contact and the more clearance is gonna help. but in a hunting situation, accuracy is of the utmost importance dont get me wrong but it doesnt matter if you hit the 10 ring or the 10x ring hes still goin down if you can put it in the vitals. and as for the MZE i myself think its the gimmick it has WAY to many moving parts for me, looks like a lot could go wrong in a hunting situation with that thing. MAybe im dumb but the less parts i got on my bow the less things that can go wrong when a i gotta big buck coming towards me. and like you said its just opinions none of us need to get all riled up over a peice of metal with some whiskers on it, we are here to help each other not prove each other wrong.

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Seems to be a few ignorant , or uneducated if that sounds better , opinions of the whisker biscuit.
huntinfool14 , sounds like you have a whole lot more issues than the whisker biscuit. If you had to refletch arrows after 20 shots , ya better give up arrow fletching or find someone else to do it.
krisken , the biscuit works great out of the package. Need help setting yours up and tuning your bow? I'd be glad to help and if you still think it's junk when I'm done I'll buy your whisker biscuit from you because we cant keep them on the shelves around here.
David , the idea of fletching contact does differ from everything we were trying to avoid for years , but give the rest a fair test and then come back and give your honest opinion.
Last year I had a 285 average on the 3d course with my hunting bow w/NAP drop away rest. I had a 285 average with my hunting bow w/whisker biscuit rest. Needless to say I took the drop away off and left the biscuit on. You cant beat it for hunting! My buddy flubbed a shot opportunity on a huge doe last year when he grabbed his bow and his arrow fell off after hitting a branch. This year he's using the biscuit! Why? Because it's like that infomercial , set it and FORGET IT!

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AMEN !! you took the words right out of me mouth.

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Davidmil makes some good points. I believe that if you could put a Muzzy zero effect on a bow, shoot several groups at long range from a shooting machine, and then repeat with the WB, the Zero effect would probably have the tighter groups. That said for all practical purposes I can't tell the differnce in accuracy between the two. I really like the Muzzy zero effect, but considering I had two seperate arrow rest problems this year, one with the Zero effect and one with a bodoodle. I decided I wanted the most simple trouble free rest I could find that would still give me good accuracy. The WB is NOT perfect, and it's not for everyone. Lord knows I still have a hard time with the Total contact concept, I am just younger and more handsome than Davidmil<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> so it is easier for me to adapt. LOL

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I know... and UGLY goes all the way to the bone.<img src=icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle>

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BOWFANATIC,
The arrows started being pre-fletched by Carbon Express. Ripped right off. Then by Pro Shop A. Ripped right off. Then I took them to pro shop B, ripped right off.

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You could try a few things to fix that instead of giving up on the rest.
1. Drop of glue on the tip of your vanes
2. You may have major tuning issues
3. Go to plan C for refletching<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

Stock vanes that are on arrows when you purchase them are always the first to go. If you have your arrows fletched by a good proshop and put a dab of glue on the tips , you shouldn't have any problems. If you do still have problems I would say you have tuning issues and or spine issues.

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huntinfool14,
I've had 2 dozen pre-fletched arrows from CX and have over 500 shots on arrows from both dozen and have yet to have a vane rip off. On the arrows with 300-500 shots there is a little black on the vanes but that is it. However, I don't hunt with these arrows because I found they are to noisy on the draw.

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I used one long enough to get it tuned and shooting decent, just couldn't get it as good as I like. Most guys have modified them somewhat and they do work, just not everyone. Personally a problem is loading the arrow, bowstrings and sharp broadheads can cause a lot of grief. As far as an arrow coming off the rest, there's several arrow holders made that take care of that.

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I tried it and didn't care for it. It just didn't perform as well as the Super Bodoodle for me. I still can't get over the fact that it actually touches the shaft and vanes as it passes through. I'm glad you guys like it, I wish it had worked out for me.
Graham Outdoors

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I have had mine on for a year now and its on to stay.I don't find the tinkering any more of a hassle then trying to get a good pass through on a prong style rest.I have tried a few things to see if I could make it affect arrow flight and it seems very consistant.I have one arrow that I clipped one vane from when I hit it.I shot that and it shot no different than any of my other arrows.Whether or not this is a biscuit issue is debatable.Every now and again a fletch will fly off but I lose more by piling them up in the target.I like it,its simple and reliable and inexpensive.Ron

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I don't understand all the comments about it being the perfect rest for hunting. Why is it so great for hunting but perhaps sub-par for target shooting? Is it the arrow falling off the rest routine? I haven't had that happen in 5 yrs. I'll agree, back in the day of straight nocks that just slipped on the string, occasionally I would have an arrow fall off. However, since these snap type nocks have been around I'm not sure its possible for an arrow to fall off my string. Heck, I can't hardly pull the thing off. I'm with davidmil on this one, I think the WB is a gimmick.

Hunt the thickets

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Still having trouble figuring out why people are calling a rest that is accurate, reliable, and simple a gimmick???

Belle Island,
Big difference between an arrow falling off the rest and falling off the string. Any time I've knocked an arrow off the rest it's stayed on the string so the nock is a mute issue.

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I agree CG, there is a difference, but is the arrow falling off the rest that big of a problem? For me it has never been. If you like the WB because it is accurate, quite, etc, fine thats great. But I can't stand to hear the argument that it is the best hunting rest because your arrow want fall off your rest. Mine never does anyway. If your a still hunter I understand its usefulness, but stand hunters having problems with arrows falling off their rest, thats ridculous.

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Can't argue....I've never hunted from a stand.....but I'll tell you it's invaluable if your belly crawling the last 20 yards to get a shot at a muley or antlelope or stuck behind a tree as a bull elk comes screaming in and you have to play the &quot;this side or that&quot; game with the elk (btw in this game your 1st guess is ALWAYS wrong :) ).

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CG, the second guess is wrongs many times:)

In the situation you described, it seems the WB would be invaluable. To each his own, thats why they sell so many of the dang things.

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