Greg,got my round tuit
 

Well,I have commented on my draw length on some videos I posted and how I was using a shorter draw with a longer loop.I finally got a video of it.The first shot is with a hand held carter and the second is with my short & sweet.

just right

http://youtube.com/watch?v=bViuXcW-rAk


Little long

http://youtube.com/watch?v=YdXv0cKiFC8


little short

http://youtube.com/watch?v=YYwcNVjcjgU



I am shooting the same draw length in the first video and the last video,I just tied a longer loop and adjusted my anchor,slightly.



This is about as good as I can get with the shorter limbs and shorter a-a. I shot a full 1/2" longer with my Protec that had longer limbs and a longer a-a by 2 inches and was more comfortable with it.

RE: Greg,got my round tuit
 

Hey TFOX,
Great shooting in the first video. Looked fine to me! I noticed your martin house in the background, anyluck?
I had about 115 babies fledge this year!
Keep up the great shooting!
Crutch

RE: Greg,got my round tuit
 

That martin house is a soar subject with my wife.I could care less because they come feed in our yard and use the house to "get together" if you know what I mean but they won't nest in it.:eek:

RE: Greg,got my round tuit
 

Question for you, Todd... I was thinking about some of the draw length discussions we've had on here as I was driving around a couple days ago, and your post reminded me...

OK, you say you're shooting the same draw length in the first and last videos, but you tied a longer loop on and slighly adjusted your anchor. What do you believe are your advantages over doing that -- as opposed to merely lengthening your actual draw length? I'm thinking that if you did the latter, you could still anchor in the same place, but now you would be lengthening the power stroke of the bow itself, and would be gaining that extra fps and ultimately k.e. (I'm thinking of hunting applications, here... though I don't want to sacrifice good form for it. It just sort of stands to reason that if you're going to anchor in the same spot anyway, why not cut down the loop to as short as possible and gain the extra power stroke?)

The only thing I can see it affecting would be the string angle...

RE: Greg,got my round tuit
 

The loop was already as short as I could get it and still use it effectively.

Meaning,that when I use my Carter,it has to be long enough so that I can twist it.If it is too short,it will torque the string.That would be pretty extreme as far as short goes.I tried shorter loop first but couldn't get where I wanted to be.You can see in the long video how close the release is to the nock.

The loop isn't that much longer but a combination of the loop and anchor gave me the sweet spot.You can alsotell that the anchor change is so slight that you can't see it but I did have to move my peep.


I wanted to do the same with the longerdraw but it wasn't to be.Plus,the anchor change wasn't comfortable.Also,string angle is part of it.

This may be the single most important thing that professional shooters have over the average guy.They are able to tweak a draw or a setup to the EXACT specifications that THEY like.(not that I am a pro,not really even close) but I have been around THAT game and know a few of the tricks.;)


That is what all the weight stabilizers are about.One guy will have a full set of v bars and the next guy will have an offset bar.It is what makes a setup work for them.I have a heavy weight on the end of my short stabilizer,it acts like it is a bit longer.


I remember seeing your pic where your draw looks fine but you don't have the2 string anchors that most of us strive for.A little anchorchange mightgive you those extra reference points.I am not suggesting you change,especially if it works FOR YOU(that is what is important) but it might be something to try,WHEN YOU GET BACK FROM YOUR TRIP.I'm so jealous.[&:]


It is pretty obvious that my front shoulder came down in the 2 videos.My back elbow even straightened out some.I wish I could get comfortable shooting with the back elbow straight back but I can't,especially with this short bow.


PLUS,in the real world,the power stroke advantage isn't even noticable with speed or ke.You don't even know it is there without a chrono.

The only thing a chrono is good for is when it is used in conjunction with a ballistics program to help get the properly spined arrow and to help set up sight tapes or pin gap.

RE: Greg,got my round tuit
 

Greg:

To get a really good shot out of your back, it is critical that you aren't dipping your head into the string to find your anchor points. If you measure my draw length on any bow (hunting bows exempt), no matter the ata (string angle) I will have the same distance from the back of the loop to the throat of the grip. Because of string angle though, I will modify loop length to get that string where I need it for reference points such as the nose, corner of the mouth, etc.......

The longer ATA bows I have shot use a longer loop and shorter true draw (string to throat of grip), and the shorter bows I use will have a longer true draw and shorter loop length. And Todd is right about tweaking........if my draw length is off on a competition bow by 1/8" it will throw me way off. My shot sequence and float are both drastically affected by DL, mass weight, and holding weight. These are the key things I will tweak a bow for and what is most important characteristics in a bow for competition use for me. For hunting, most all that goes out the window....I will shoot a bow 1/2" shorter, light as I can get it, with high letoff.

Todd:

If your working with a coach I am sure your aware of this, but that double set is cutting precious seconds off your shot sequence and will affect your consistency with setup of the shot.

RE: Greg,got my round tuit
 

Believe it or not,that double set is WAY better than it used to be and I no longer shoot competively so I am less concerned as I used to be.My coach(level 4)was actually just a friend that gave me pointers from time to time,never actually gave me a lesson,unless you consider the conversations we had lessons.;)

He told me that he didn't like it and that I needed to try and fix it but he knew very succesful pros that did it and couldn't/wouldn't change,so not to be overly concerned but I did need to work on it.

I mentioned the double set once before when I posted the videos.


I liked shooting a little longer with my longer a-abow but it also had longer limbs and the feel was completely different,Also,it was competition exclusive and this setup is hunting/3-d.

RE: Greg,got my round tuit
 

Todd, you nailed it that I'm going to be working on changing some things up VERY slightly after this season (Especially after my elk trip, but probably after this year; I'm just in such a groove right now, and can pretty consistently stay in a softball at 50. In fact, I'm pretty much spot-on with that 1" groupsfor 10 yards, 2" groups for 20, 3" for 30 and so on that has been mentioned before.)

As I make the jump from pure bowhunter to competitive 3d next season, I'm doing all I can to avail myself of some resources to take it to the next level. One thing I've discovered is that I actually anchor a bit higher on my jaw bonewith a caliper release than most probably do; I think this is attributable to two things: One, I am EXTREMELY self-taught in this sport, and -- two, I snapped my right elbow out of socket when in college playing a stupid pickup basketball game after midnight on an asphalt court while it was drizzling rain... (I was leading a three-on-one fast break with two trailers to either side with one defender. He sets up in the middle of the lane to take a charge... I look left, dish right as I come to a halt... except the feet went right out from under me on the wet asphalt and I was suddenly horizontal about five feet above the ground. I reach back with my right hand to catch my fall out of instinct... Bad idea.)

I lost a bit of my range of motion, so I think it feels better to anchor higher than on my jawline because I don't have to put as drastic a bend to get my forefinger under my jawline. I think it's going to be fine though with my Carter Just Cuz release...

I've played with different string loop lengths on my new Constitution I'll be using for 3d already... First thing I noticed using the Carter Just Cuz on it was that I can't use the extremely short loops I've been using with my Scott Wildcat... I could feel the torque immediately at that length, so I understand perfectly what you're saying there.

RE: Greg,got my round tuit
 

Your Just Cuz is identical to my carter,just bigger.I use the Fits Me Too (small hands)and that is the sweetest release I have ever shot.

RE: Greg,got my round tuit
 

That release look familiar.

He has a different set of anchors than what most are using but they obviously work for him.