For those that don't think location or numbers matter
#21
Typical Buck
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RE: For those that don't think location or numbers matter
ORIGINAL: atlasman
Let me be PERFECTLY clear from the start. This IN NO WAY is meant to diminish the efforts of Mr H..........it's just a really good example.
Does anyone have even the slightest doubt that Michael Hunsucker and his group will drop numerous big mature bucks this year?
Now take a look back at what they smacked last year............and the trail cam thread from this year and tell us if you still think location does not matter when hunting big bucks.
Also, it has been said many times that increasing the number of larger bucks in an area does not make it any easier to hunt or kill them.
Really???..............still think that???
Let me be PERFECTLY clear from the start. This IN NO WAY is meant to diminish the efforts of Mr H..........it's just a really good example.
Does anyone have even the slightest doubt that Michael Hunsucker and his group will drop numerous big mature bucks this year?
Now take a look back at what they smacked last year............and the trail cam thread from this year and tell us if you still think location does not matter when hunting big bucks.
Also, it has been said many times that increasing the number of larger bucks in an area does not make it any easier to hunt or kill them.
Really???..............still think that???
The simple fact is that you speak to that which you do not know. You have never spent a season hunting in a location that harbors a quality deer herd so you cannot offer any valid argument. The assumptions you make post after post infuriate me and are so frickin' ridiculous. It is sad that it will require laws to be passed for browner downers to come arounder.
#22
RE: For those that don't think location or numbers matter
If location REALLY doesn't matter... at all...
Then y'all won't be shy about posting the GPS coordinates of your favorite deer stands. Feel free to add driving directions - maybe tell us where the best parking area is... et cetera...You can easily just find a new spot to hunt - since any chunk of woods is as good as the next...
Or maybe you'd be prepared to explain to me why people spend millions every year traveling from the east coast - just to sit in a treestand for a week in Pike Co., IL or Biggar, SK. I mean, hell, it's just as easy to shoot a 150-class deer in Delaware, right?
Now I'm not saying that "location" is the end-all, be-all of hunting (it's not).There are plenty of other intangibles (food, carrying capacity, hunting pressure, antler management program, property size, etc...) - but location is a very valid consideration.
So let's get those GPS coordinates in. I'm ready for a Realtree Roadtrip of my own.
Then y'all won't be shy about posting the GPS coordinates of your favorite deer stands. Feel free to add driving directions - maybe tell us where the best parking area is... et cetera...You can easily just find a new spot to hunt - since any chunk of woods is as good as the next...
Or maybe you'd be prepared to explain to me why people spend millions every year traveling from the east coast - just to sit in a treestand for a week in Pike Co., IL or Biggar, SK. I mean, hell, it's just as easy to shoot a 150-class deer in Delaware, right?
Now I'm not saying that "location" is the end-all, be-all of hunting (it's not).There are plenty of other intangibles (food, carrying capacity, hunting pressure, antler management program, property size, etc...) - but location is a very valid consideration.
So let's get those GPS coordinates in. I'm ready for a Realtree Roadtrip of my own.
#23
RE: For those that don't think location or numbers matter
I know a man in his late 80's who has a beautiful piece of property with some nice bass ponds on it, full of big bass. One day a visitor came through, and was commenting on how nice the property was. The man stated, "Rufus, the Lord sure has been good to you, giving you this nice property." To that Rufus replied, "Yes, he has, but you should have seen it when he gave it to me. We have worked on it together."
Even where there are alot of big bucks, there aren't that many, percentage-wise. It still takes huge amounts of work and effort. If I'm going to work at it that hard then I'm also going to go where my odds are the best. Stands to reason, don't it? If I'm not trying to make things better, then I am part of the problem, not part of the solution.
Yeah, it makes a difference where you hunt. But all a man can do is do the best he can with what he has, whatever that is.
Even where there are alot of big bucks, there aren't that many, percentage-wise. It still takes huge amounts of work and effort. If I'm going to work at it that hard then I'm also going to go where my odds are the best. Stands to reason, don't it? If I'm not trying to make things better, then I am part of the problem, not part of the solution.
Yeah, it makes a difference where you hunt. But all a man can do is do the best he can with what he has, whatever that is.
#24
RE: For those that don't think location or numbers matter
Ok so location location location...If that's what we've come down 2 there are several options.
1) Move...many Trophy Hunters move to big buck States
2) Manage your location better... may require 100K+ land purchase
3) See the list of sponsors at this site and pay to go to an outfitter
4) Whine and complain and keep shooting dinks
1) Move...many Trophy Hunters move to big buck States
2) Manage your location better... may require 100K+ land purchase
3) See the list of sponsors at this site and pay to go to an outfitter
4) Whine and complain and keep shooting dinks
#25
RE: For those that don't think location or numbers matter
Location is key. Obviously the more quality bucks you have on the property the better your odds/percentages are, but still, luck plays a part, homework, having optional stands to hunt different wind directions, shooting skill, keeping cool under pressure etc... If dont do your homework, or know the deers travel routes, feeding and bedding patterns, and cant continually make those high pressure clutch shots your odds will go way down for shooting a big boy even if your property holds several big bucks. I think you have to continually have all of the above to harvest good bucks year after year which Mike obviously does.
#26
RE: For those that don't think location or numbers matter
ORIGINAL: wolfen68
There is no doubt that location matters. Especially when you consider that there are, and will continue to be until legislation is passed, folks like you that refuse to explore the benefits of QDM.
The simple fact is that you speak to that which you do not know. You have never spent a season hunting in a location that harbors a quality deer herd so you cannot offer any valid argument. The assumptions you make post after post infuriate me and are so frickin' ridiculous. It is sad that it will require laws to be passed for browner downers to come arounder.
ORIGINAL: atlasman
Let me be PERFECTLY clear from the start. This IN NO WAY is meant to diminish the efforts of Mr H..........it's just a really good example.
Does anyone have even the slightest doubt that Michael Hunsucker and his group will drop numerous big mature bucks this year?
Now take a look back at what they smacked last year............and the trail cam thread from this year and tell us if you still think location does not matter when hunting big bucks.
Also, it has been said many times that increasing the number of larger bucks in an area does not make it any easier to hunt or kill them.
Really???..............still think that???
Let me be PERFECTLY clear from the start. This IN NO WAY is meant to diminish the efforts of Mr H..........it's just a really good example.
Does anyone have even the slightest doubt that Michael Hunsucker and his group will drop numerous big mature bucks this year?
Now take a look back at what they smacked last year............and the trail cam thread from this year and tell us if you still think location does not matter when hunting big bucks.
Also, it has been said many times that increasing the number of larger bucks in an area does not make it any easier to hunt or kill them.
Really???..............still think that???
The simple fact is that you speak to that which you do not know. You have never spent a season hunting in a location that harbors a quality deer herd so you cannot offer any valid argument. The assumptions you make post after post infuriate me and are so frickin' ridiculous. It is sad that it will require laws to be passed for browner downers to come arounder.
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QDM is not practical on most pieces of land that the average joe hunts. If you have prime land, cooperation, and several years of resources and time to invest then have at it. But most of us don't, and even though I may kill does and plant food plots that is not aQDM program, those are some QDM strategies but that is it.
Laws on antler restrictionsare notaQDM program,it is a law that allows a buck to get older before getting killed, by what a year or two? So as far as QDM goes you may (after years) get a better mixed agestructure(which is only one aspect of QDM),but you alsomay end up with more button bucks getting killed as your doe/antlerless harvests go up. It is an enormous guessing game and there is no clear cut right/wrong I'm not sure why both camps keep beating this thing, agree to disagree, do what works for you and you enjoy, why is that philosophy so hard to understand.
Location matters, so what. Michael H is obviously no slouch in the deer woods and would kill big deer regardless of where he hunted.
#27
RE: For those that don't think location or numbers matter
ORIGINAL: Wheatley
I forgot who said it but it sounds like MH has no life!
I forgot who said it but it sounds like MH has no life!
Chasing big mature whitetails!
#30
RE: For those that don't think location or numbers matter
ORIGINAL: atlasman
Let me be PERFECTLY clear from the start. This IN NO WAY is meant to diminish the efforts of Mr H..........it's just a really good example.
Does anyone have even the slightest doubt that Michael Hunsucker and his group will drop numerous big mature bucks this year?
Now take a look back at what they smacked last year............and the trail cam thread from this year and tell us if you still think location does not matter when hunting big bucks.
Also, it has been said many times that increasing the number of larger bucks in an area does not make it any easier to hunt or kill them.
Really???..............still think that???
Let me be PERFECTLY clear from the start. This IN NO WAY is meant to diminish the efforts of Mr H..........it's just a really good example.
Does anyone have even the slightest doubt that Michael Hunsucker and his group will drop numerous big mature bucks this year?
Now take a look back at what they smacked last year............and the trail cam thread from this year and tell us if you still think location does not matter when hunting big bucks.
Also, it has been said many times that increasing the number of larger bucks in an area does not make it any easier to hunt or kill them.
Really???..............still think that???
Nothing else really matters except...Can we please have some cheese with the wine?
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