For those that don't think location or numbers matter
08-09-2007, 02:40 PM
#61
Boone & Crockett
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RE: For those that don't think location or numbers matter
Only 1,000 times a week.............isn't it funny how the guys who live in the prime areas are always the ones saying it doesn't matter?? I wonder how many
Please list the 1000 post this week.That is right what you can not prove is your Opinion
Mi is the one of the worst
1 in 5000 chance NY is around 1 in3000, and PA really sucks Sorry
08-09-2007, 02:41 PM
#62
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RE: For those that don't think location or numbers matter
ORIGINAL: huntingson
Well Atlas I understand that you did not mean it to be "about" Michael, but you mentioned him by name so what on earth did you think was going to happen?
Well Atlas I understand that you did not mean it to be "about" Michael, but you mentioned him by name so what on earth did you think was going to happen?
I figured a room full of intelligent adults would be able to comprehend it.
I just think that the point could have been made just as well without using anyone's name, but hey it's your world man I'm just living in it.
08-09-2007, 02:43 PM
#63
Dominant Buck
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RE: For those that don't think location or numbers matter
For the record I think we all agree on location, no one has said location is not the differnce.
08-09-2007, 02:44 PM
#64
Nontypical Buck
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RE: For those that don't think location or numbers matter
I live in Ky. I guess thats a good location. I hunt public land, I plant no food plots,I have no game cams,I don't even manage it, just take a deer or two every year. Most people that hunt where I live have 10-15 small racks on the side of thier shed and say,there are no big deer around here. They shoot the first buck they see. But some know there are big bucks, because I go show them off beforeI skin'em out. I work for the railroad and have a family, they share my passion.
I work for the railroad and have a family, they share my passion.
08-09-2007, 02:45 PM
#65
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RE: For those that don't think location or numbers matter
ORIGINAL: Colorado Luckydog
Complaining, crying, whining, beeatching, and now debunking a myth? Sounds all the same to me!
Complaining, crying, whining, beeatching, and now debunking a myth? Sounds all the same to me!
08-09-2007, 02:46 PM
#66
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RE: For those that don't think location or numbers matter
ORIGINAL: MichaelHunsucker
No, i completely understand. I have several awesome pieces of property that hold good deer. They deer have always been good but through my managing efforts it has gotten even better. Im not saying this can be done anywhere though. You gotta have the right ingredients to make big buck stewI happen to have a few of them given to me and ive worked my ass of for the other ones. Now it is all starting to pay off.
No, i completely understand. I have several awesome pieces of property that hold good deer. They deer have always been good but through my managing efforts it has gotten even better. Im not saying this can be done anywhere though. You gotta have the right ingredients to make big buck stew
I happen to have a few of them given to me and ive worked my ass of for the other ones. Now it is all starting to pay off.
I am 100% not surprised.
08-09-2007, 02:51 PM
#67
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RE: For those that don't think location or numbers matter
ORIGINAL: atlasman
Thanks for being cool about it and understanding.
I am 100% not surprised.
ORIGINAL: MichaelHunsucker
No, i completely understand. I have several awesome pieces of property that hold good deer. They deer have always been good but through my managing efforts it has gotten even better. Im not saying this can be done anywhere though. You gotta have the right ingredients to make big buck stewI happen to have a few of them given to me and ive worked my ass of for the other ones. Now it is all starting to pay off.
No, i completely understand. I have several awesome pieces of property that hold good deer. They deer have always been good but through my managing efforts it has gotten even better. Im not saying this can be done anywhere though. You gotta have the right ingredients to make big buck stew
I happen to have a few of them given to me and ive worked my ass of for the other ones. Now it is all starting to pay off.
I am 100% not surprised.
most everyone said the exact same thing.1. You have to have them
2. You have to work hard
I think you will agree if youhave them or not you have to do number 2 to consistantly kill whitetails.
08-09-2007, 02:55 PM
#68
Giant Nontypical
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RE: For those that don't think location or numbers matter
ORIGINAL: atlasman
Do they??............that scent they smelled and the sights they saw posed no threat to them whatsoever. (Besides, I thought they couldn't smell the Drury boys due to all that carbon) "Forget the wind".............just kidding man.........but seriously if those sights, sounds and smells never=danger before why would they fear them next time?? When a deer smells a human and then gets 5 slugs whizzing past his head I would think the effect is more lasting
ORIGINAL: HuntingBry
I am going to use the Drury's as an example again. On their managed property, the only way those bucks got that big was because they were passed as 2.5 and 3.5 year olds. During that time they have winded those guys while hunting, they have smelled where they have walked in, and surely noticed stands being put up. Those deer have seen pressure, maybe not what a buck in my area or your area would see, but still they know human=bad.
I am going to use the Drury's as an example again. On their managed property, the only way those bucks got that big was because they were passed as 2.5 and 3.5 year olds. During that time they have winded those guys while hunting, they have smelled where they have walked in, and surely noticed stands being put up. Those deer have seen pressure, maybe not what a buck in my area or your area would see, but still they know human=bad.
Do they??............that scent they smelled and the sights they saw posed no threat to them whatsoever. (Besides, I thought they couldn't smell the Drury boys due to all that carbon
) "Forget the wind".............just kidding man.........but seriously if those sights, sounds and smells never=danger before why would they fear them next time?? When a deer smells a human and then gets 5 slugs whizzing past his head I would think the effect is more lasting I'm still not letting go of my belief that all big bucks are a challenge, but you are making some good points that their behavior may be different in areas with less pressure. I can't speak to that since I've never hunted the "big buck states."
I can say this, while living in Florida I hunted a lease in Georgia that was on a peanut farm. Those deer were not heavily pressured by PA standards and there were some nice deer on that property. They were SPOOKY. I've never seen deer react to scent and little things that I could get away with in other areas. So, while geographic influence probably does exist, it is not necessarily directly linked to pressure.
So, while the pressure you and I know will most certainly affect behavior it is not the only factor there. Age, and some unknowns are there as well, at least from my experience.
08-09-2007, 02:56 PM
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RE: For those that don't think location or numbers matter
ORIGINAL: Germ
Fact YOU bring it up time after time. That is called whining
Fact YOU bring it up time after time. That is called whining
Why so defensive all the time??
Every post turns into
"I don't shoot big deer because of where I live" Greatwe know.
"I don't shoot big deer because of where I live" Greatwe know.
Ok from now on ALL of HNI Atlas shoots the deer he wants, because it is not worth the time for him to try and shoot big deer.
He enjoys hunting the way he does.
Which is it germ...........whining or enjoys??? You are talking in circles.
There is only onemature deer within1 sq mile of where he hunts(Hammondsport, NY).
08-09-2007, 03:06 PM
#70
Nontypical Buck
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RE: For those that don't think location or numbers matter
Location is one of many factors, most likely the largest.
Just like my height and athletic ability would rule out my being in the NBA, no matter how
much I devoted my life to that goal. Similarly, some areas of the country will probably never
yield world class deer.
Most people take what hey are given. There are pockets in untraditional areas (especially the
South), where people have worked on it and are getting closer to neutralizing the location
factor. Good soil, food plots, proper management, and even fences (yikes), can help tilt the balance.
Hunsucker's situtation just makes it possible to take massive bucks. I'm sure there are many
people in his area that have little to show for their efforts. Hell, his trailcam thread itself
shows all the work he puts into hunting and patterning those bucks.
Lastly, you are probably correct Atlas that the age of the buck and buck concentration likely
have less to do with buck sightings (skittishness) than the deer's experience. That is
why in heavy hunting pressure areas, a large buck may truly be "nocturnal" or very close to it.
It should be fairly obvious that uneducated, unhunted deer will be easier to kill.
Edit: Although for the rut, high buck concentrations or high buck to doe ratios result in a lot more
buck activity = more competition, fewer does to breed, since all does are quickly bred creates
very intense rut, etc.
BTW, I don't see anything "circular" in Germ's posts.
Just like my height and athletic ability would rule out my being in the NBA, no matter how
much I devoted my life to that goal. Similarly, some areas of the country will probably never
yield world class deer.
Most people take what hey are given. There are pockets in untraditional areas (especially the
South), where people have worked on it and are getting closer to neutralizing the location
factor. Good soil, food plots, proper management, and even fences (yikes), can help tilt the balance.
Hunsucker's situtation just makes it possible to take massive bucks. I'm sure there are many
people in his area that have little to show for their efforts. Hell, his trailcam thread itself
shows all the work he puts into hunting and patterning those bucks.
Lastly, you are probably correct Atlas that the age of the buck and buck concentration likely
have less to do with buck sightings (skittishness) than the deer's experience. That is
why in heavy hunting pressure areas, a large buck may truly be "nocturnal" or very close to it.
It should be fairly obvious that uneducated, unhunted deer will be easier to kill.
Edit: Although for the rut, high buck concentrations or high buck to doe ratios result in a lot more
buck activity = more competition, fewer does to breed, since all does are quickly bred creates
very intense rut, etc.
BTW, I don't see anything "circular" in Germ's posts.