Is Harvesting Does Really the Right Thing to do?
08-08-2007 | 02:41 PM
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RE: Is Harvesting Does Really the Right Thing to do?
Check that......
Quickly thinking about that.....The entire herd would be affected adversely if the inferior bucks were allowed to breed as much as the dominant/superior geneticbucks.
Quickly thinking about that.....The entire herd would be affected adversely if the inferior bucks were allowed to breed as much as the dominant/superior geneticbucks.
08-08-2007 | 02:44 PM
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT
Check that......
Quickly thinking about that.....The entire herd would be affected adversely if the inferior bucks were allowed to breed as much as the dominant/superior geneticbucks.
Check that......
Quickly thinking about that.....The entire herd would be affected adversely if the inferior bucks were allowed to breed as much as the dominant/superior geneticbucks.
08-08-2007 | 02:47 PM
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Really? (and I am trying to learn, here)
So.....what's the purpose (nature's) of the dominant bucks doing most of the breeding (in a perfect setting)?
Around here.....the little guys steer clear of one guy in my woods.....lest they want an ass whoopin. I'd say nature has it in for him to pass his genes along FIRST. If the herd numbers were in check (again...in a perfectly natural environment).....the natural selection process would be alive and well.
So.....what's the purpose (nature's) of the dominant bucks doing most of the breeding (in a perfect setting)?
Around here.....the little guys steer clear of one guy in my woods.....lest they want an ass whoopin. I'd say nature has it in for him to pass his genes along FIRST. If the herd numbers were in check (again...in a perfectly natural environment).....the natural selection process would be alive and well.
08-08-2007 | 02:54 PM
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT
Really? (and I am trying to learn, here)
So.....what's the purpose (nature's) of the dominant bucks doing most of the breeding (in a perfect setting)?
Around here.....the little guys steer clear of one guy in my woods.....lest they want an ass whoopin. I'd say nature has it in for him to pass his genes along FIRST. If the herd numbers were in check (again...in a perfectly natural environment).....the natural selection process would be alive and well.
Really? (and I am trying to learn, here)
So.....what's the purpose (nature's) of the dominant bucks doing most of the breeding (in a perfect setting)?
Around here.....the little guys steer clear of one guy in my woods.....lest they want an ass whoopin. I'd say nature has it in for him to pass his genes along FIRST. If the herd numbers were in check (again...in a perfectly natural environment).....the natural selection process would be alive and well.
08-08-2007 | 02:56 PM
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RE: Is Harvesting Does Really the Right Thing to do?
ORIGINAL: drhntr178
Who do you thinks is those little guys daddy? Its probably the "bull" or another "bull" a couple of miles over, right. Soisnt it safe to say theyhave the same genes as him.
ORIGINAL: GMMAT
Really? (and I am trying to learn, here)
So.....what's the purpose (nature's) of the dominant bucks doing most of the breeding (in a perfect setting)?
Around here.....the little guys steer clear of one guy in my woods.....lest they want an ass whoopin. I'd say nature has it in for him to pass his genes along FIRST. If the herd numbers were in check (again...in a perfectly natural environment).....the natural selection process would be alive and well.
Really? (and I am trying to learn, here)
So.....what's the purpose (nature's) of the dominant bucks doing most of the breeding (in a perfect setting)?
Around here.....the little guys steer clear of one guy in my woods.....lest they want an ass whoopin. I'd say nature has it in for him to pass his genes along FIRST. If the herd numbers were in check (again...in a perfectly natural environment).....the natural selection process would be alive and well.
Who knows I used to think that also, but I was proven wrong. The little bucks do a pile of breeding. Plus 50% genes come from the mother
08-08-2007 | 02:59 PM
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RE: Is Harvesting Does Really the Right Thing to do?
ORIGINAL: drhntr178
I havent read all the posts but Ill throw in my 2 cents...Why does male only harvest work for turkeys but not for deer? In both species the males fight for dominance and extablish a pecking order. the males also mate with multiple females. Why does it work so well for one species and not the other?
I havent read all the posts but Ill throw in my 2 cents...Why does male only harvest work for turkeys but not for deer? In both species the males fight for dominance and extablish a pecking order. the males also mate with multiple females. Why does it work so well for one species and not the other?
I don't believe birds will over graze a particular piece of land.
They just fly some where else.
If the animals in question don't over burden their food sources then.
More hens= More Turkeys = More gobblers. Everybody loves turkeys, so it is a good thing.
The flock basically grows out of control.
And flies to new territory as needed.
Something deer would have a hard time with.
08-08-2007 | 03:01 PM
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In a pefectly natural environment......no overpopulation.......I would "think" the more dominant bucks (and they're dominant for a reason) would do most of the breeding. THEIR offspring would (naturally) be MORE "dominant" than the offspring of the less dominant animals.....and, therefore, would be next in line to the throne....or next in line to do "some" of the "other" breeding.
Natural selection....in its purest form.
Is this flawed logic?
Natural selection....in its purest form.
Is this flawed logic?
08-08-2007 | 03:02 PM
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In other words......wouldn't it be rare (in a perfectly natural environment) for an inferior buck to do hardly ANY breeding?
Wouldn't the inferior bucks bloodlines eventually die out?
Wouldn't the inferior bucks bloodlines eventually die out?
08-08-2007 | 03:04 PM
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ORIGINAL: cptleo1
I would think it has everything to do with the carrying capicity of the land.
I don't believe birds will over graze a particular piece of land.
They just fly some where else.
If the animals in question don't over burden their food sources then.
More hens= More Turkeys = More gobblers. Everybody loves turkeys, so it is a good thing.
The flock basically grows out of control.
And flies to new territory as needed.
Something deer would have a hard time with.
ORIGINAL: drhntr178
I havent read all the posts but Ill throw in my 2 cents...Why does male only harvest work for turkeys but not for deer? In both species the males fight for dominance and extablish a pecking order. the males also mate with multiple females. Why does it work so well for one species and not the other?
I havent read all the posts but Ill throw in my 2 cents...Why does male only harvest work for turkeys but not for deer? In both species the males fight for dominance and extablish a pecking order. the males also mate with multiple females. Why does it work so well for one species and not the other?
I don't believe birds will over graze a particular piece of land.
They just fly some where else.
If the animals in question don't over burden their food sources then.
More hens= More Turkeys = More gobblers. Everybody loves turkeys, so it is a good thing.
The flock basically grows out of control.
And flies to new territory as needed.
Something deer would have a hard time with.
And am i the only one who has not seen turkeys flying to relocate due to overcrowding.
08-08-2007 | 03:06 PM
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RE: Is Harvesting Does Really the Right Thing to do?
ORIGINAL: drhntr178
I havent read all the posts but Ill throw in my 2 cents...Why does male only harvest work for turkeys but not for deer? In both species the males fight for dominance and extablish a pecking order. the males also mate with multiple females. Why does it work so well for one species and not the other?
I havent read all the posts but Ill throw in my 2 cents...Why does male only harvest work for turkeys but not for deer? In both species the males fight for dominance and extablish a pecking order. the males also mate with multiple females. Why does it work so well for one species and not the other?
I think there are a lot more predators fro turkey than deer, and you never hear about a person being killed in a car turkey crash
just my 2 cents Good topic