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The Selfish Thread to End All Selfish Threads
Just Kidding with that title!
Here's a situaution I was in. Two years ago, I had an aquaintence, that had a son, that just started hunting. The dad wanted his son to have a good chance at getting a deer.I decided to take them along with me that year todeer hunt. I took them to several places that I hunt. Some public, some private.We hunted the youth season and rifle season. One of the places I took them was on public ground ( state park ) that doesn't see much pressure during the archery season. The boy was full of questions and I answered as many as I could. When we hunted that public place he wanted to know if there were deer there. I pointed to a tree and told him that I'd taken four deer from that tree in the last few years. The boy ended up getting a buck and doe later on during the rifle season in a spot I put them in another area on private ground. Anyhow, the following year they were constantly calling to hunt together that year. To be honest, I just wanted to help him get a couple under his belt but not every year. I'd be vague with answers if I answered the phone at all. I hoped they'd just go away. Anyway that year during the first day of archery, I hunted one area in the morning and decided to hunt "that tree" on the public area in the afternoon. Guess who I ran into? Yep!They were archery hunting.I didn't know they even bow hunted. They were parked in their truck. I ask them how they were doing and had some small talk. I told them I was going to go up on that hill and get in my tree. The boy spoke up and said he was in my tree in the morning and saw several deer.One was a really nice buck but it saw him and ran. The dad shot his boy a look that said " Shut your mouth!" Instantly the boy got quiet. They snuck in on my spot, the exact tree. I know this wasn't that big a deal but to me it wasn't right. I know it was a public area but there was a hot spot there that no one knew about until I opened my mouth. I just don't thinkthatwas right after I took them the previous year and helped the boy get a couple deer. Am I being selfish to feel that way? |
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Well, there are two ways to look at it. It was PUBLIC ground, open to anyone. On the other hand, they wouldn't have known about it had you not taken them there.
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By the letter of the law, they were not in the wrong.
By the letter of common courtesy, that was a rather inconsiderate and ungrateful thing for them to do. |
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No, you were right. This coincides a lot with the 2nd selfish thread. The boy probably did not know better, The dad obviously did.
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Based on your title, I would guess that you read my thread. If it were me I'd be furious. I would probably wait until his kid was not around (depending on how old he was) and then rip the dad a new one. He obviously knew he had done something wrong otherwise he would not given his kid the "keep your trap shut look". I would guess that the kid didn't know that he had done something wrong based on his eagerness to tell you about their mourning. It sucks to do someone a favor like that and have it blow up in your face.
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Nope ...... those guys should have respected what you had done for them previously, enough to stay away from the spot you liked to hunt .... what happened to you doesn't surprise me, however. I have had similair experiences on public and private land ... I have learned my lesson the hard way ...
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YOU own a tree on PUBLIC land??? I own just as much of that tree as you do....
Let me tell you another story....About 25 years ago I invited 6-7 guys to come down east and run their deer dogs on our farms...15 truck loads of hunters showed up...Over 30 hunters, I went with them, showed them where to set up standers and where to turn the dogs loose...We killed 7-8 deer that day...For 3-4 years my brother, who still lives in the area was running "hunters" off our land that were part of that group.....It is 225 miles from where our family farms are to where these guys live...... You can bet your best deer rifle I learned my lesson....I do take 2 guys with me now each year for a week, one is a plumber and happens to own a nice travel trailer that we stay the week in, the other got me in on a local hunt about 20 years ago, we still have it and still hunt together... I'm sorry these guys treated you this way, but you have to be careful who you hunt with and what you tell them. |
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I just dont tell anyone where I hunt anymore, had some of the same problems
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btw....You can fix them this year...Ever taken panty hose and tied them into the middle of ceder trees, with moth balls in them???? Done a week before the season, its pretty effective for 3 weeks or so...
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ORIGINAL: fetzeriiif Based on your title, I would guess that you read my thread. If it were me I'd be furious. I would probably wait until his kid was not around (depending on how old he was) and then rip the dad a new one. He obviously knew he had done something wrong otherwise he would not given his kid the "keep your trap shut look". I would guess that the kid didn't know that he had done something wrong based on his eagerness to tell you about their mourning. It sucks to do someone a favor like that and have it blow up in your face. I was just trying to be funny with the title:D |
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Ive been skimming these selfish threads and havnt responded yet, its always a tough call cause you put so much work into finding a good deer or the right spot. Ive been in these situations numerous times most of the time it was close buddies that took a deer. It hurts at first, but its not worth it.
It's actually turned into an on-going joke around our hunting camp, we've all learned to keep our mouths shut until you have the deer in your hands.... And we always get caught tellin stories to throw our buddies off the scent, so needless to say we get lots of laughs when a member gets real sneaky and hunts the same area alot, when hes only seeing a few small bucks and some does...;) It helps ease the tension, and we all show respect to another mans hard work... A life long friend of mine knew I'd been huntin a specific deer, in a specific spot, he went on the other side of the bedding area I was hunting one day when we both were hunting (on my land), well a doe was startin to estrus and towed the buck right to the bottom of his tree, and he smoked it. You bet I was upset,found the sheds, scouted the buck all summer, had him just outta bow range 2 times, but i got over it, and helped him drag it out. He could tell I was disapointed by the look on my face when i first saw it, but it wasnt a big deal, it was just a deer. He did feel a little bad and has given me some secrets that have payed off... The buck hangs in his cabin now and just bout every time I'm over there he points the buck and says, "did i tell you the story bout that buck?" we all get a good laugh, and Im waitin for the day to bag a giant on his property, payback time!!! |
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I think you all are selfish .Where are tomorrows youth hunters going to come from . Heck you guys are so good you could kill a couple of boonenrs within a week of scouting any where.
He!! does are like donuts and should be just as easy to clean up. Come on guys and help these kids out...............  |
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Of course you are right. Although, its public land. It wasnt the right thing for them to do after what you did for them, but it wasnt illegal.
Theres a pet peeves that my grandfather gives permission to hunt his property, and he completely takes advantage of my grandfather, my uncleand me. My grandfather and uncle keep their mouth closed because he is related to the family; thank you god not by blood. Yeah, the guy used to let me hunt his stand, but the guys a jerk. I'll list SOME of the things he has done. 1.Tried to sell my grandfather some meat from a deer that he killed on my grandfathers property. IS HE STUPID?!? 2.He told my uncle, "I'll let you hunt my stand for $100 this season." His stand is on my uncles property. 3.The guy kills everthing... 3 points, spikes, spotties, songbirds, runs over the rabbit, shoots herons at our pond... etc... 4.I have a deer stand set up on the edge of one of our fields... I have put over 1,000 dollars and over 30 hours of work into this stand... and he comes into my stand, smokes his cigarettes and leaves the butts in it, LEAVES A BOTTLE OF PISS IN MY STAND, Shoots 8 of the deer (all of them fawns and does) that I have been managing... and he tells, "Well, its your stand and my corn, so I can hunt it." Note: he only put out one bag of corn, WITHOUT MY PERMISSION. 5. Last year, I let a buddy of mine hunt my stand. I was about 400 yards away, when I see pet peeves haulin a$$ towards the stand my friend was in. So of course, I knew there was gonna be trouble. Pet peeves drives up to the stand, takes out his rifle, and points the gun at my pal. There is no excuse for pointing a gun at someone... his excuse was, "Well, it was unloaded, I just wanted to look at his face." My grandfather and uncle would beat me senseless if I ever thought about pointing a gun at someone... 6. My grandpa didnt want us to harvest does last year, and pet peeves deliberatly disobeyed my grandpas wishes and did it anyway right in front of my grandfathers face. And yet, my family has yet to do anything about him... Want to hear anymore?:D My point is, people like that just anger me to no end... this year, im steppin up to the plate and not tolerating any crap. And if I were you, I wouldnt either. They will continue to take advantage of you if you dont. |
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I don't care if the spot you show someone is public land or over the river thru the woods to the super secret log next to the odd looking rock on farmer bob's place....if you set someone up and imply(or flat out tell them)that you are taking them to your "secret" spot then they should have the common courtesy to not go back without you....unless you tell them its cool if they go back anytime.
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WEll, no good deed goes unpunished as they say. You take someone in to a private honey hole in public ground you got to figure it's now community property or will be shortly. Is it honorable. NOPE. Is the outcome shocking or unexpected. NOPE I suspect a large percentage of people would do exactly as the young man did. Go where his expert had told him was a great spot. Brings to mind the old WWII saying, "Loose lips sink ships".[8D]
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ORIGINAL: Chris_H Of course you are right. Although, its public land. It wasnt the right thing for them to do after what you did for them, but it wasnt illegal. Theres a pet peeves that my grandfather gives permission to hunt his property, and he completely takes advantage of my grandfather, my uncleand me. My grandfather and uncle keep their mouth closed because he is related to the family; thank you god not by blood. Yeah, the guy used to let me hunt his stand, but the guys a jerk. I'll list SOME of the things he has done. 1.Tried to sell my grandfather some meat from a deer that he killed on my grandfathers property. IS HE STUPID?!? 2.He told my uncle, "I'll let you hunt my stand for $100 this season." His stand is on my uncles property. 3.The guy kills everthing... 3 points, spikes, spotties, songbirds, runs over the rabbit, shoots herons at our pond... etc... 4.I have a deer stand set up on the edge of one of our fields... I have put over 1,000 dollars and over 30 hours of work into this stand... and he comes into my stand, smokes his cigarettes and leaves the butts in it, LEAVES A BOTTLE OF PISS IN MY STAND, Shoots 8 of the deer (all of them fawns and does) that I have been managing... and he tells, "Well, its your stand and my corn, so I can hunt it." Note: he only put out one bag of corn, WITHOUT MY PERMISSION. 5. Last year, I let a buddy of mine hunt my stand. I was about 400 yards away, when I see pet peeves haulin a$$ towards the stand my friend was in. So of course, I knew there was gonna be trouble. Pet peeves drives up to the stand, takes out his rifle, and points the gun at my pal. There is no excuse for pointing a gun at someone... his excuse was, "Well, it was unloaded, I just wanted to look at his face." My grandfather and uncle would beat me senseless if I ever thought about pointing a gun at someone... 6. My grandpa didnt want us to harvest does last year, and pet peeves deliberatly disobeyed my grandpas wishes and did it anyway right in front of my grandfathers face. And yet, my family has yet to do anything about him... Want to hear anymore?:D My point is, people like that just anger me to no end... this year, im steppin up to the plate and not tolerating any crap. And if I were you, I wouldnt either. They will continue to take advantage of you if you dont. |
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ORIGINAL: Chris_H Of course you are right. Although, its public land. It wasnt the right thing for them to do after what you did for them, but it wasnt illegal. Theres a pet peeves that my grandfather gives permission to hunt his property, and he completely takes advantage of my grandfather, my uncleand me. My grandfather and uncle keep their mouth closed because he is related to the family; thank you god not by blood. Yeah, the guy used to let me hunt his stand, but the guys a jerk. I'll list SOME of the things he has done. 1.Tried to sell my grandfather some meat from a deer that he killed on my grandfathers property. IS HE STUPID?!? 2.He told my uncle, "I'll let you hunt my stand for $100 this season." His stand is on my uncles property. 3.The guy kills everthing... 3 points, spikes, spotties, songbirds, runs over the rabbit, shoots herons at our pond... etc... 4.I have a deer stand set up on the edge of one of our fields... I have put over 1,000 dollars and over 30 hours of work into this stand... and he comes into my stand, smokes his cigarettes and leaves the butts in it, LEAVES A BOTTLE OF PISS IN MY STAND, Shoots 8 of the deer (all of them fawns and does) that I have been managing... and he tells, "Well, its your stand and my corn, so I can hunt it." Note: he only put out one bag of corn, WITHOUT MY PERMISSION. 5. Last year, I let a buddy of mine hunt my stand. I was about 400 yards away, when I see pet peeves haulin a$$ towards the stand my friend was in. So of course, I knew there was gonna be trouble. Pet peeves drives up to the stand, takes out his rifle, and points the gun at my pal. There is no excuse for pointing a gun at someone... his excuse was, "Well, it was unloaded, I just wanted to look at his face." My grandfather and uncle would beat me senseless if I ever thought about pointing a gun at someone... 6. My grandpa didnt want us to harvest does last year, and pet peeves deliberatly disobeyed my grandpas wishes and did it anyway right in front of my grandfathers face. And yet, my family has yet to do anything about him... Want to hear anymore?:D My point is, people like that just anger me to no end... this year, im steppin up to the plate and not tolerating any crap. And if I were you, I wouldnt either. They will continue to take advantage of you if you dont. |
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Heck, my own brother did me in. I always used to come up to NY to bow hunt 3 or 4 days before muzzleloader season came in and then stay and bow hunt a couple more days while he muzzleloadered it. It was I wasted a couple days getting a couple stands up and getting the lay of the land. So this one particular year I came up about 3 weeks early. I walked the woods and found a couple great spots for hang ons and another couple for my climber. So I hung the stands, hid them well. I showed my brother where they were. Way back in off the beaten trail away from roads and fields where he seems to spend most of his time. I told him now he won't have to worry about me having a place to hunt and I have a couple good stands in place so I don't have to stink the place up when I come up. Muzzleloader opened on a Saturday, I arrived the next Wednesday this time so I could bow hunt 3 days and then hunt the opener of the regular firearms season with him. I arrived about 1PM and went straight to the woods. I get there and here comes my brother and a friend of his out of the woods where I was going. I ask how they had done with the muzzleloader. Well they'd shot 3 that week so far. They just now were coming out after spending a couple hours looking for a big racked buck that his friend Tim had wounded that AM. I said, where was he hunting. He said, oh in that new stand of yours. I killed a 5 point there yesterday. Mike killed a 6 point out of your other stand. Man I was some kind of PO'd. I yanked my stands out of the woods that afternoon and hunted the next couple days with my climber. I've never hung another stand in the woods. I had taken the effort to drive 400 miles one way and a few days to hang the things and my own brother, who probably has 20 stands up, felt the need for "HIS Friends" to use my stands. Man I was ticked and told him so vehemently.
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I don't mean to sound harsh, but you have nobody to blame but yourself. Yes, they should have had the common courtesy to stay out of a spot they know you hunt. Yes, the father knew it was wrong given his reaction to the situation. On the other hand, common sense says that if you have a spot (especially on public land) that you want to keep to yourself you need to keep it to yourself.
To paraphrase what Joe Brooks says in his book, when you find a good spot for deer hunting pretend it doesn't exist unless you are setting up stands or hunting it. Otherwise, other hunters will notice the activity and try to get permission, or worse tresspass on the property. This may seem selfish, but we all work hard to get the spots we have. It would mean nothing to someone else to lease it out from under you or move in and push you out. I see it more as self-preservation. This may be a product of the competitive environment I am in with so many hunters in my area, but it is the way you have to be unfortunately. |
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So do you and the brother still talk?
Makes you wonder how people have the gall. Just amazes me what some guys will do . |
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Lets see... what else has peeves done...
1. One summer afternoon, I brought my cousin up there to hunt, and this guy is diggin up stumps with heavy equipment. Nothing wrong with that... right? Wrong. He had been dumping the stumps about 200 yards away from my deerstand... not that he was doing it knowing I was coming up there that day; I kindly asked him to stop and to not go anywhere near where we were hunting. "Alright, no problem." were his exact words... 30 minutes later when I'm walking to my stand, I hear and see him riding around in the field I am hunting. I was so angry! He disappeared into one of the trails that goes further into the woods before I could stop him. It just so happens that he rides over to my cousins stand on the power line. My cousin said, "Didn't Chris tell you not to come anywhere we were hunting?" Peeves says "Yeah, but I'm just riding around. No harm in that. If anything it'll make the deer curious and they'll come and see what all the ruckus is." My cousin told him to leave... so instead of taking the other way back to his house, he cuts through my field and just waves at me while I'm hunting in my stand. How ignorant and disrespectful can one be? 2.He asked me if I am GAY [:o][:@] 3.He littered around our hunting camper and me and my buddies got blamed for it. 4. He was dumping trash on our property: christmas lights, furniture, scrap metal, old 2x4s, toys, etc... We told him to stop and he deliberatly disobeyed our wishes and began doing it again anyway. 5.He began to describe in detail his relationship with his wife to me... his wife just so happens to be my cousin. |
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Oh yeah Windtalker, we still talk. We're still blood and nothing will change that. I haven't hunted with him for a couple years with my wife being sick and all. He doesn't bow hunt and only gun hunts. I rarely gun hunt except for social things, like hunting with him once a year or so. Now that I've moved to NY I'll get in a couple hunts with him, but I'm still not hanging stands in his woods. LOL I'll buy pass the opening weekend with him like I did last year to go salmon fishing with one of my other brothers. The treestand use deal did put a hampering on my hunting time with him no doubt. I'd spend lots of time there if I thought I could at least have a couple gun free stands. The place is 2500 acres of private ground that only 3 people had permission to hunt, my brother, his son and me. These other two yahoos he took in their were not suppose to be there. He lost the place two years ago because of, believe it or not, homeland security, but now has it back. Had to do with some coyote carcasses, bottled water and gov't contracts. Don't ask, it's too involved.
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2.He asked me if I am GAY [:o][:@]
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Lets see... what else has peeves done... 1. One summer afternoon, I brought my cousin up there to hunt, and this guy is diggin up stumps with heavy equipment. Nothing wrong with that... right? Wrong. He had been dumping the stumps about 200 yards away from my deerstand... not that he was doing it knowing I was coming up there that day; I kindly asked him to stop and to not go anywhere near where we were hunting. "Alright, no problem." were his exact words... 30 minutes later when I'm walking to my stand, I hear and see him riding around in the field I am hunting. I was so angry! He disappeared into one of the trails that goes further into the woods before I could stop him. It just so happens that he rides over to my cousins stand on the power line. My cousin said, "Didn't Chris tell you not to come anywhere we were hunting?" Peeves says "Yeah, but I'm just riding around. No harm in that. If anything it'll make the deer curious and they'll come and see what all the ruckus is." My cousin told him to leave... so instead of taking the other way back to his house, he cuts through my field and just waves at me while I'm hunting in my stand. How ignorant and disrespectful can one be? 2.He asked me if I am GAY [:o][:@] 3.He littered around our hunting camper and me and my buddies got blamed for it. 4. He was dumping trash on our property: christmas lights, furniture, scrap metal, old 2x4s, toys, etc... We told him to stop and he deliberatly disobeyed our wishes and began doing it again anyway. 5.He began to describe in detail his relationship with his wife to me... his wife just so happens to be my cousin. |
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He is not teaching his son a thing about ethics. That is enough to piss the Pope off. You are 100% right in feeling the way you do.
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I don't have enough time left this week to tell all of the stories I've encountered. I will say thatI have learned that there are some people you never tell where you are hunting or what you've been seeing. You can't even tell them the area that you are in! Having said that I've also learned to try to distinguish between the ones who could care less about you or anyone else, those that are truly selfish and insensitive to any needs but their own, and some who simply aren't real smart when it comes to ettiquette. Some haven't been raised well, or have never seen an example of character. I have learned that you can be friends with some but not hunt with them. You can hunt with some but not be friends--hunting ettiquette may be the only thing you have in common. SomeI wouldn't let know where I keep the keys to my truck!;)Just be careful who you trust with certain information and who you can hang with without fear of them taking your girlfriend. It seems that hunting can expose some real character flaws in a hurry, and it can test somes loyalty. You have hunting buddy that respects you and your stands, and you have someone you can probably trust with most anything.
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Yessir, fellas. This season theres no BS. I'm puttin a stop to his crap.
And, manuman, I'm starting to realize that what you said is the truth. |
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All these stories on this thread are why I most often hunt alone. Not that I am not a social person, but you have to be committed to weed out all the idiotsand find a quality person or group to hunt with. My hunting buddy moved to GA 2 years ago and I have found it easier to go by myself than to findarespectable, ethical hunterto replace him
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All this "hot spot" stuff is even easier now with GPS.
Just hit a button and you've got it. This reminds me of fishing for specs and reds off La. coast. The "amateurs" would find the guides and stick the spots in the GPS. We'd be catching em good with a guide and in a boat would come and the it would be "lines up" and out of there. ;) |
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Personally, I think there are "unspoken" rules. Most of us know what they are. Obviously the father in your situation did as well. The son will soon learn them too, in time. My uncle and I hunt alot together during bow, muzzle loader and turkey season. The spots I had when we started hunting together he won't go to without me. The spots he had when we started hunting together I won't go to without him. He set meup a couple of years ago at a favorite tree he liked to hunt and basically put a doe at 19 yards broadside for me for a bow shot. I have set him up at an area to get him a buck. We don't take others (except out of state family) to our spots and if we do, it is made clear that the land is private and they are not welcome without us. We have not had any issues as we know the rules. It is unfortunate what happend to you however, EVERYONE knows you don't take people to yourfavorite spots. That's why they're called "secret spots". I hope you get it worked out with them, they were obviously close enough friends for you to want to help them in the first place. No good deed goes unpunished... Sorry about your situation and good luck this year.
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