Just wondering how counting main frame points could favor one hunter over another? Just for conversation's sakes.

Hah! That was fast LOL. I thought I would check the articles at the website, braintan.com and the first one I read had this, The history of Brain Tan
Now there is much, much more to the article and this is just a snippet but Matt Richards explains it, the buckskin "market"very well.

I was going to bring this up. It certainly is true. Geogia's ports in Savannah were a big outlet for this. Buckskins were so coveted in Europe that they became a form of exchange for what people needed in lieu of cash. That is where the term 'bucks' came from when referring to money. Night hunting withlights, and nolimits nearly did the deer herd in, and the laws began to be implemented once the numbers began to be in drastic decline.

Ok guys

Do we all agree after the Teddy Roosvelt era is what we consider the "Hertiage" age of hunting? If so than Trophy hunting is a part of our hunting hertiage. So using the "Hertiage" word to make ones kill seem more noble is foolish to me.

I agree about Trophy Deer management 100% and it has gone to far. But I think pointing finger at "Trophy" hunters and saying they go against the "Hertiage" of hunting is 100% wrong.

By the way when non hunter looks at the "hertiage" of hunting that is what they look at what we did in the past. While I know and you know the facts must do not.

So the point is we throw the term "hertiage" around to make hunting a "noble" cause and Vilify others is just crazy IMO.
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That is because you have avery limited perspective and definition of what the actual heritage is. I'm not even sure your definition of the word heritage is thorough, based on what you have written. I am not saying that with any sarcasm or being denigrating,just being honest. I don't know what you mean by 'villifying' others and attempting to make the hunting heritage a 'noble cause'. I have made it clear that I am not villifying anyone, just calling for good judgement on both sides without resorting to insults and name calling. If that is 'crazy', then call me crazy.You are confusing what some market hunters did in the past, prior to hunting regulationswith its becoming a 'recreational' sport in the modern era.

Germ.....just discussing.....

I wouldn't have a problem with you using Roosevelt's "era". It holds no more weight with me than any other, though....and I wouldn't make Teddy the poster child for my hunting heritage.

Hell let's talk about the other Ted if we wanna talk hunting heritage. He learned from the best. You gotta admit....he's pretty "middle of the road" about "trophy" hunting.

Not what I am askingor said.

To a person who does not hunt what does the "Hertiage" of hunting mean. When you tell a person who does not hunt I respect the "Hertiage of hunting".
Does the said person undestand what you are talking about? I am not confusing the two, just you

So lets ask this.

When someone says trophy hunting is ruining the hertiage of hunting. Is that not wrong? Being trophy hunting is a part of the hertiage of hunting?

Unless you guys start spelling it (Heritage)correctly I won't know what you are talking about

I did not and do not point a finger at 'trophy hunters or trophy hunting' , just taking it too far. I have repeatedly stated that it in and of itself is not problematic, but rather that the some that do go too far are not thinking long term nor do they seem to care about the long term, All that seems to matter is bigger and better, regardless of how it is achieved and the effects that it has on the big picture. These are the ones who have lost sight of huntings heritage and are, in effect, redefining it. Comprende?

man I agree 100%

I am not talking about you or anyone on this bored. We are having a civil discuession and learing how to spell Heritage