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RE: pay hunts
ORIGINAL: Phil from Maine I'm not talking about an outfitter that helps you get on game.I'm talking about the type game ranches that bring in a client to shot a trophy game animal but not "hunt" it.you know like hey client which one do you want to shoot? I want to make this perfectly clear I would not hesitate to book a hunt with outfitter that cold give me the chance to hunt a trophy whitetail in fair chase conditions. I know I will probably never kill a true trophy in my hunting area. Imust sayI have never had a desire to hunt Canada so I don't care what laws they have or pass. I'm talking the good old U S of A. If you or anyone else wants to hunt out side the US, go for it, hire a guide or whatever you have to do, that's fine with me. |
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ORIGINAL: treboryerf Hey guys.Wanted to get your opions about the big money hunts some people go on then display their "trophies" for the world to see and then classify themseves as a trophy hunter.Don't get me wrong I'm not saying there is anything wrong with paying an outfitter for the chance at a trophy animal,I'm talking about the hunts where the guides let you know what animal to shot and then charge you by the inches.You know the type hunts where a client can spend 10,000 dollars or more for a deer.Oh yea these are the same guys that look down at us hunters that take a lesser animal too. It aint hunting to meand neither is paying a hooker for sex. There's no thrill in the hunt but the more you pay the better looking the trophy is and there is a market for it. |
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What you're describing is a canned hunt which isn't hunting at all. Its a way for well heeled guys to shoot big animals in a pen. No respect for that at all. Using an outfitter to hunt a new territory or animal that is not available locally is fine . I have used outfitters and will again. Its just not practical to travel thousands of miles and expect to just walk into game within a week long hunt many times.
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Ill get the beer!
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Never a canned hunt, for every reason already stated on here. However, I would pay an outfitter if I was going to say... Colorado to hunt for Elk. I wouldn't have any idea on how to start, and if I only had a week I would want to maximize my chance.
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I totally agree there is a difference between canned hunts and fair chase hunts and thats the issue, not whether you hire someone to help you hunt. Personally I can see hiring an outfitter as long as the hunt is fair chase.
I still say if that trophy animal is harvested non-fair chase it should not go in the record books or atleast identified as a non-fair chase harvest. Maybe the sponsors would not be so quick to promote someone who is not an ethical hunter. Stop the money train and these canned hunts I beleive will be reduced or totally illiminated. I always here about people who are making $300-500per hour and that there time is more valuable thensay someone who earns $20 per hour. What a bunch of %^&*.Everybodyis time poor today. Its just a matter of priorities and taking the time off.To ethically hunt speaks volumes about your character. These canned hunts and the so calledkillers should be banned from ever hunting anywhere, finned and disclosed to the public.They don't respect nature and are a poisin to our sport. |
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Well...let's clarify this a little. First off...what your describing is not a canned hunt. You said that a hunter is paying x dollars for a specific deer that the owner has scouted out on his land. Every outfitter I know has a pretty good idea of what deer are on his land, where they travel and where to put you to get a good shot at it. Some of them charge x dollars regardless of the deer shot while others charge x dollars depending upon the size of the deer taken. Both are free roaming whitetails that have been scouted. The only difference in your scenario is the pricing structure. NOW...if you would have said a high fence operation that purchases privately bred deer then that is a whole different story. In fact, here is the pricing structure for King Ranch in Texas. Someone may pay $20,000.00 for a whitetail but they didn't hunt it any different than someone who paid 3,000.00 in Illinois. They're still hunting 825,000 acres from a stand on pre-scouted ground. They're just paying more.
White-tailed deer Hunt #1 (3 days) up to a 150 Boone & Crockett Gross Score $5,500.00 flat fee 151 - 170 B&C, $5,500 plus $200.00 per point above the 150 B&C gross score 171 - 180 B&C, $5,500 plus $250.00 per point above the 150 B&C gross score 181 - 199 B&C, $15,000 200+ B&C, $20,000 |
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